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I don't understand why this should be downvoted. Are those downvoting it suggesting that the government does indeed want to see these sites go? Or that they wil

I don't understand why this should be downvoted. Are those downvoting it suggesting that the government does indeed want to see these sites go? Or that they will go? One thing that has been confusing me during the course of the proceedings is that it has been repeatedly suggested that SOPA will be only affecting foreign websites. Is this not actually the case? Or are people more concerned with the precedent that will be established?

gasull 15y ago
> I don't understand why this should be downvoted. Are those downvoting it suggesting that the government does indeed want to see these sites go? Or that they will go? The Government doesn't care, and the sites will go because it will be too expensive or impossible for them to monitor user-generated content. > One thing that has been confusing me during the course of the proceedings is that it has been repeatedly suggested that SOPA will be only affecting foreign websites. Is this not actually the case? Wrong. It will also affect foreign websites because ICANN controls the DNS system.
- the-cakeboss 15y ago
  From what I've been reading, the bill grants the DoJ power to combat sites outside of US jurisdiction. See title I sec 102. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c1124uhTNl:e3470 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c1124uh...: Is this only a piece of the larger picture? edit: On further inspection, it appears as though title 2 does in fact grant powers for combatting domestic sites as well. Or at least the language isn't explicitly speaking to foreign websites.
chc 15y ago
It's a statement akin to "Yeah, he may driving drunk, but I don't think he intends to kill anybody." People rarely intend the ill consequences of their risky behavior, but closing your eyes and humming doesn't make it safer. The legislators who passed child pornography laws probably didn't intend to cause 13-year-olds to get prosecuted under the law, but that's what ended up happening. Passing a law that allows terrible things to happen and just trusting that nobody will ever actually do those terrible things is naive at best. So any question that starts with "Do you really think they intend…" is a red herring.
nl 15y ago
It's being downvoted because the governments intentions are somewhat irrelevant. The law - as it is written - can be used to shutdown sites like Reddit. There is nothing stopping someone using it in that way, even if it isn't the governments intention.

gasull 15y ago

> I don't understand why this should be downvoted. Are those downvoting it suggesting that the government does indeed want to see these sites go? Or that they will go? The Government doesn't care, and the sites will go because it will be too expensive or impossible for them to monitor user-generated content. > One thing that has been confusing me during the course of the proceedings is that it has been repeatedly suggested that SOPA will be only affecting foreign websites. Is this not actually the case? Wrong. It will also affect foreign websites because ICANN controls the DNS system.

the-cakeboss 15y ago
From what I've been reading, the bill grants the DoJ power to combat sites outside of US jurisdiction. See title I sec 102. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c1124uhTNl:e3470 http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c112:1:./temp/~c1124uh...: Is this only a piece of the larger picture? edit: On further inspection, it appears as though title 2 does in fact grant powers for combatting domestic sites as well. Or at least the language isn't explicitly speaking to foreign websites.

chc 15y ago

It's a statement akin to "Yeah, he may driving drunk, but I don't think he intends to kill anybody." People rarely intend the ill consequences of their risky behavior, but closing your eyes and humming doesn't make it safer. The legislators who passed child pornography laws probably didn't intend to cause 13-year-olds to get prosecuted under the law, but that's what ended up happening. Passing a law that allows terrible things to happen and just trusting that nobody will ever actually do those terrible things is naive at best. So any question that starts with "Do you really think they intend…" is a red herring.

nl 15y ago

It's being downvoted because the governments intentions are somewhat irrelevant. The law - as it is written - can be used to shutdown sites like Reddit. There is nothing stopping someone using it in that way, even if it isn't the governments intention.