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I expect that this petition will be just as effective as all the others.

by akavlie 15y ago

JonnieCache 15y ago
Governmental e-petitions: ignoring the public more efficiently than ever before. Actually now in britain we have it set up so whenever one of these gets 100,000 votes, it must be debated in parliament. One of the few useful or interesting things cameron has done. Of course they are quite rightly not bound to do anything more than debate it, and in the long run it will probably just be a more efficient way of shutting people up. "Look, we've debated it, we've given parliamentary time to your issue, what more do you want? This is a representative democracy you know!"
- omouse 15y ago
  I think that makes it a bit worse. Those debates are more than good enough for a lot of people who don't care much. "Oh look they debated things! Welp, back to the grind!" Even worse, if enough petitions get that many votes, it could be spun as a problem for politicians who want to get things done, "The public keeps wanting us to debate these stupid issues! We can't get to the more important things!" Yes it sounds far-fetched, but some newspapers will sink that low...
- viraptor 15y ago
  I think you're spreading FUD really. Have a look at current UK petitions which have passed the 100k votes: fuel prices - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/347 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/347 (small decrease implemented, plans for the future shared) immigration - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19658 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19658 (basic plans shared, recently implemented changes listed, already heard some people having visa issues, so something is happening) summer riots - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337 (no direct actions, but response means pretty much "this is happening anyways", there's some more information about what the local authorities can do) Hillsborough 1989 - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2199 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2199 (accepted, disclosure will happen) financial education - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/8903 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/8903 (this one does look like a non-answer, but maybe they're really doing the reviews now) private pensions - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535 (no response yet, only crossed the line recently) While I'm not crazy about all the answers, there was some effect (or at least an explanation or a commitment to the original plan). They're quite far from "a more efficient way of shutting people up" the way it's presented in the comments here.
  - JonnieCache 15y ago
    All that stuff is relatively non-controversial though, I don't consider the system to have been really tested until the people demand something the government really doesn't want to do. When we get a million signatures against war in iran, or to unilaterally leave the EU or something, then we'll see what happens.
    - estel 15y ago
      Uncontroversial to remove all Government benefits from those convicted of involvement in the Summer Riots?
lallysingh 15y ago
It's a data point on public opinion. Remember that all the lobbying money spent in the US is there only to swing public opinion ~10% on an election. In the truth-vacuum of DC, it's pretty relevant.
- rhizome 15y ago
  Remember that all the lobbying money spent in the US is there only to swing public opinion ~10% on an election. OT, but is it then reasonable to infer that the increasing closeness of Presidential elections over the past couple of decades may have simply been a cost-cutting operation by the lobbying industry?

I expect that this petition will be just as effective as all the others.

by akavlie 15y ago

I expect that this petition will be just as effective as all the others.

Governmental e-petitions: ignoring the public more efficiently than ever before. Actually now in britain we have it set up so whenever one of these gets 100,000 votes, it must be debated in parliament. One of the few useful or interesting things cameron has done. Of course they are quite rightly not bound to do anything more than debate it, and in the long run it will probably just be a more efficient way of shutting people up. "Look, we've debated it, we've given parliamentary time to your issue, what more do you want? This is a representative democracy you know!"

omouse 15y ago
I think that makes it a bit worse. Those debates are more than good enough for a lot of people who don't care much. "Oh look they debated things! Welp, back to the grind!" Even worse, if enough petitions get that many votes, it could be spun as a problem for politicians who want to get things done, "The public keeps wanting us to debate these stupid issues! We can't get to the more important things!" Yes it sounds far-fetched, but some newspapers will sink that low...
viraptor 15y ago
I think you're spreading FUD really. Have a look at current UK petitions which have passed the 100k votes: fuel prices - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/347 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/347 (small decrease implemented, plans for the future shared) immigration - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19658 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/19658 (basic plans shared, recently implemented changes listed, already heard some people having visa issues, so something is happening) summer riots - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337 (no direct actions, but response means pretty much "this is happening anyways", there's some more information about what the local authorities can do) Hillsborough 1989 - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2199 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/2199 (accepted, disclosure will happen) financial education - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/8903 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/8903 (this one does look like a non-answer, but maybe they're really doing the reviews now) private pensions - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535 http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/1535 (no response yet, only crossed the line recently) While I'm not crazy about all the answers, there was some effect (or at least an explanation or a commitment to the original plan). They're quite far from "a more efficient way of shutting people up" the way it's presented in the comments here.
- JonnieCache 15y ago
  All that stuff is relatively non-controversial though, I don't consider the system to have been really tested until the people demand something the government really doesn't want to do. When we get a million signatures against war in iran, or to unilaterally leave the EU or something, then we'll see what happens.
  - estel 15y ago
    Uncontroversial to remove all Government benefits from those convicted of involvement in the Summer Riots?

lallysingh 15y ago

It's a data point on public opinion. Remember that all the lobbying money spent in the US is there only to swing public opinion ~10% on an election. In the truth-vacuum of DC, it's pretty relevant.

rhizome 15y ago
Remember that all the lobbying money spent in the US is there only to swing public opinion ~10% on an election. OT, but is it then reasonable to infer that the increasing closeness of Presidential elections over the past couple of decades may have simply been a cost-cutting operation by the lobbying industry?