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It wasn't the people against the Covid vaccine who were licking the boots of Big Pharma, it was the other people using force and shame to try and get a shot in

by yucky 4y ago

It wasn't the people against the Covid vaccine who were licking the boots of Big Pharma, it was the other people using force and shame to try and get a shot in every arm.

pstuart 4y ago
I may be a vaccine proponent, but I do recognize the problem of forcing someone to be "medicated" against their wishes. That's balanced by the fact that I think virtually all the reasoning against it is specious at best. I don't have a better answer for that problem other than the force and shame be as thoughtful and accommodating as possible. The shame is valid in the context of the proposition that vaccine efficacy is at its best when a significant portion of the population is vaccinated. By not participating in this particular social contract one is not "doing one's fair share". Obviously if one doesn't accept that proposition, the shame is unnecessary. C'est la guerre.
- yucky 4y ago
  The problem with the "doing one's fair share" argument is that we were lied to by the government, Pfizer admitted in testimony they never tested the vaccine against transmission, which explains why so many vaccinated people can't seem to stop getting and spreading Covid. So now that they've destroyed the trust, where do we go from here? For instance, I've never met anybody who didn't get their kids the regular vaccinations (Measles, mumps, rubella etc) I'm sure those people exist, but they're rare which means we mostly trusted our government on the question of vaccines. This debacle has ruined that trust, so how do we get it back when it really matters?
  - pstuart 4y ago
    A quick search on your complaint re transmission shows that it's without merit: https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/vaccines-verify/claims-pfizer-didnt-know-if-covid-vaccine-prevented-transmission-missing-context-fact-check/536-aaf563f5-2286-44d4-ae0b-2c71812b84e4 https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/vaccines-veri... And "government" is not a homogeneous body with consistent understandings/incentives/etc. Prior to the previous administration vaccines were not political. They were the fringe group of conspiracy theorists for the most part. I don't consider them personally political but it's very much wound into millions of people that being anti-vax is part of their political identity. tl;dr -- vaccines are never 100% safe nor 100% effective and it's a case of risk assessment on the value of participating. I'd wager that very few of those who've turned their backs on them have done an honest calculation.
    - yucky 4y ago
      That's...a blog. Meanwhile, you can watch the testimony yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0 They never tested the vaccine effectiveness against transmission. It is in testimony.

by yucky 4y ago

It wasn't the people against the Covid vaccine who were licking the boots of Big Pharma, it was the other people using force and shame to try and get a shot in every arm.

pstuart 4y ago

I may be a vaccine proponent, but I do recognize the problem of forcing someone to be "medicated" against their wishes. That's balanced by the fact that I think virtually all the reasoning against it is specious at best. I don't have a better answer for that problem other than the force and shame be as thoughtful and accommodating as possible. The shame is valid in the context of the proposition that vaccine efficacy is at its best when a significant portion of the population is vaccinated. By not participating in this particular social contract one is not "doing one's fair share". Obviously if one doesn't accept that proposition, the shame is unnecessary. C'est la guerre.

yucky 4y ago
The problem with the "doing one's fair share" argument is that we were lied to by the government, Pfizer admitted in testimony they never tested the vaccine against transmission, which explains why so many vaccinated people can't seem to stop getting and spreading Covid. So now that they've destroyed the trust, where do we go from here? For instance, I've never met anybody who didn't get their kids the regular vaccinations (Measles, mumps, rubella etc) I'm sure those people exist, but they're rare which means we mostly trusted our government on the question of vaccines. This debacle has ruined that trust, so how do we get it back when it really matters?
- pstuart 4y ago
  A quick search on your complaint re transmission shows that it's without merit: https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/vaccines-verify/claims-pfizer-didnt-know-if-covid-vaccine-prevented-transmission-missing-context-fact-check/536-aaf563f5-2286-44d4-ae0b-2c71812b84e4 https://www.verifythis.com/article/news/verify/vaccines-veri... And "government" is not a homogeneous body with consistent understandings/incentives/etc. Prior to the previous administration vaccines were not political. They were the fringe group of conspiracy theorists for the most part. I don't consider them personally political but it's very much wound into millions of people that being anti-vax is part of their political identity. tl;dr -- vaccines are never 100% safe nor 100% effective and it's a case of risk assessment on the value of participating. I'd wager that very few of those who've turned their backs on them have done an honest calculation.
  - yucky 4y ago
    That's...a blog. Meanwhile, you can watch the testimony yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnxlxzxoZx0 They never tested the vaccine effectiveness against transmission. It is in testimony.