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The closest I ever got with vim is with this game: https://vim-adventures.com/ https://vim-adventures.com/ How different is Vim and Emacs' user experience? Woul

by wentin 4y ago

The closest I ever got with vim is with this game: https://vim-adventures.com/ https://vim-adventures.com/ How different is Vim and Emacs' user experience? Would the vim-adventures also apply to emacs?

thrown_22 4y ago
No. Vim is a text editor. Emacs is a lisp interpreter whose dialect of lisp is specialized for text manipulation. In emacs the user interface is incidental to the main goal of programmatic text manipulation. In vim the user interface is the be all and end all. Which is why vim is now a specialized emacs mode when you need character based text manipulation.
- ngcc_hk 4y ago
  Vim has its own script and vim can have its lisp mode. emacs never got it too many 3 keys ops. Vi (I started from ICL … is always I can associate with. Hence different poison. Btw If you try to learn emacs in iphone or ipad, iSH and a-shell both give you an escape key and control-key. Hence no emacs default key mode. Guess I can try boon or evil. But you know just 3 keys or basically 4 is not that user-friendly for newbie.
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    Just buy a keyboard ffs.
  - partomniscient 4y ago
    >Btw If you try to learn emacs in iphone or ipad... ...you're going to have a bad time. Emacs is not the hammer that wants to hit a touchscreen interface nail.
cocacola1 4y ago
I don't think there's anything like that for Emacs. At least, I've not heard of it. I mostly learned it through reading stuff like Mastering Emacs and watching YouTube videos, as well as testing out other peoples configs. UX wise, it's pretty different but I know a lot of people use Evil (https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil) or something similar to get a more vi like experience out of Emacs. If you're not vested in an Emacs workflow, or don't have one at all, I think it's worth checking out other peoples configs. The biggest benefit of Emacs is that you can do some much from one place. That's much less context switching that you have to do, and I can see why some people prefer it.
sea6ear 4y ago
I've spent a lot of time with Vim and Emacs (with both the default Emacs keybindings and using Evil). I haven't made it through all of vim adventures, but based on what I have done, I think that a significant portion of what you would get out of vim adventures would transfer to Emacs using Evil mode (or derivatives like spacemacs or doom Emacs).
noufalibrahim 4y ago
I used vi mostly when working from dumb terminals from where i would telent to a machine. There was a lag when you did stuff and the modal editing style was perfect for that. You'd type a few commands, they'd get sent to the server and the screen would refresh. It worked nicely. I moved to Emacs mostly, iirc, to get gud and then stayed on it. Still use it heavily. Org mode has been a killer application.

by wentin 4y ago

thrown_22 4y ago

No. Vim is a text editor. Emacs is a lisp interpreter whose dialect of lisp is specialized for text manipulation. In emacs the user interface is incidental to the main goal of programmatic text manipulation. In vim the user interface is the be all and end all. Which is why vim is now a specialized emacs mode when you need character based text manipulation.

ngcc_hk 4y ago
Vim has its own script and vim can have its lisp mode. emacs never got it too many 3 keys ops. Vi (I started from ICL … is always I can associate with. Hence different poison. Btw If you try to learn emacs in iphone or ipad, iSH and a-shell both give you an escape key and control-key. Hence no emacs default key mode. Guess I can try boon or evil. But you know just 3 keys or basically 4 is not that user-friendly for newbie.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  Just buy a keyboard ffs.
- partomniscient 4y ago
  >Btw If you try to learn emacs in iphone or ipad... ...you're going to have a bad time. Emacs is not the hammer that wants to hit a touchscreen interface nail.

cocacola1 4y ago

I don't think there's anything like that for Emacs. At least, I've not heard of it. I mostly learned it through reading stuff like Mastering Emacs and watching YouTube videos, as well as testing out other peoples configs. UX wise, it's pretty different but I know a lot of people use Evil (https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil https://github.com/emacs-evil/evil) or something similar to get a more vi like experience out of Emacs. If you're not vested in an Emacs workflow, or don't have one at all, I think it's worth checking out other peoples configs. The biggest benefit of Emacs is that you can do some much from one place. That's much less context switching that you have to do, and I can see why some people prefer it.

sea6ear 4y ago

I've spent a lot of time with Vim and Emacs (with both the default Emacs keybindings and using Evil). I haven't made it through all of vim adventures, but based on what I have done, I think that a significant portion of what you would get out of vim adventures would transfer to Emacs using Evil mode (or derivatives like spacemacs or doom Emacs).

noufalibrahim 4y ago

I used vi mostly when working from dumb terminals from where i would telent to a machine. There was a lag when you did stuff and the modal editing style was perfect for that. You'd type a few commands, they'd get sent to the server and the screen would refresh. It worked nicely. I moved to Emacs mostly, iirc, to get gud and then stayed on it. Still use it heavily. Org mode has been a killer application.