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If we are speculating without any basis then why not Turkey, Qatar, China or Azerbaijan? Maybe Iran? They are all profiting from either selling their own gas o

If we are speculating without any basis then why not Turkey, Qatar, China or Azerbaijan? Maybe Iran? They are all profiting from either selling their own gas or reselling Russian gas. After deep reflection my bet is on Venezuela. They are in the worst shape so they will benefit the most. /sarcasm Please, stop speculating without any basis. You can make a case for basically anyone who trades gas or had any issues with Russia.

permo-w 4y ago
cut the snarky tone. if you disagree, you disagree. say that, don’t be unpleasant
rsj_hn 4y ago
How many of these nations - Had naval ships in the region at the time of the sabotage, conducting tests of remote controlled underwater exploding drones? - were previously caught with such a drone (seafox) sitting underneath the same pipeline that was blown up, and in the same location, in 2015? https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-... https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/gazprom-just-released-these-photos-of-a-nato-seafox-drone-that-was-found-right-next-to-nord-stream-1-in-2015-the-drone-failed-to-detonate https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/gazprom-just-released-th... - have a history of blowing up pipelines, including previously blowing up a Russian pipeline? - had a chief executive declare that said they "have the means" to put an end to the pipeline, even though it was not in their territorial waters and they had no legal means to do it? I mean, you can argue that it's speculation, but to argue that it's speculation without basis is false. This is a highly monitored part of the Baltic Sea, right next to a Danish island, in the Swedish exclusive economic zone, and close to a Polish NATO base. It's not the middle of nowhere. It's not some place where we don't know who was there. We know who had ships there at the time of the sabotage, and who had the technical means to do it. That's when you start getting into debates about US versus UK, but not Azerbaijan versus Venezuela.
- Isinlor 4y ago
  In the exercise took part Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/06/baltops-22-multinational-exercise-kicks-off-in-the-baltic-sea/ https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/06/baltops-22-mult... Seafox is German produced and operated by United States, United Kingdom, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Japan. Blowing up pipelines? Russia? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-troops-blow-up-gas-pipeline-kharkiv-2022-02-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-tr... Nord Stream 2 has damaged the West enough. Time to put an end to it. by Polish and Ukrainian Foreign Ministers: https://www.politico.eu/article/nord-stream-2-pipeline-has-damaged-the-west-enough-time-to-put-an-end-to-it/ https://www.politico.eu/article/nord-stream-2-pipeline-has-d... So, your "basis" did not narrow down it too much for me.
LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
What if I told you that I 'predicted' exactly this at the end of 2018, while being massively intoxicated by hot wine punch on a christmas market? (Meaning using some military manoeuvre as cover to prepare the blow-up. (BALTOPS 22, remember?)) During talking about all sorts of stuff with some bystanders, about six or seven people, but mostly about the utter incompetence of our politicians, the 'energiewende', the shortsightedness of 'greenery' without accounting for really all externalities. The ruthlessness of american interests, the lies and distortions of mass media regarding geo-politics. Our utter dependency on gas for all sorts of industrial purposes(not only heating), and that everything will get more expensive, or even unavailable if that happens? And that this is clear for everyone to see, by extrapolating from what happened in the last few decades? Also the situation regarding the Ukraine, that there will be (larger)war, because of constant pressure from one side, which will be seen as crossing red lines from the other? Until something really BURSTS? I even got the moving of Ursula von der Leyen and Christine Lagarde from their former positions to their current ones exactly right. Jokingly: Yeah! "Flinten-Uschi" for Euro-Queen! That would be good!(Giggle...) But for that Lagarde has to be gone, so ECB for her! Also Annalena Baerbock, because trends dictate something green, female, not too old, two children. Has to be something which looks sympathic to the masses. No matter if absolutely numbskulled, or not. With her I've been slightly unsure about the exact position, and opted for either chancellorette, mistress of foreign affairs, or defence. Because being pushed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders Which led to Klaus Schwab of WEF-fame, and the 'Great Reset', that this is no conspiracy theory, but out there in the open, on their site? And how that would be 'democratic' at all, if some people pushed by some rich assholes are moved into position behind the scenes, regardless of competence, to be just the mouthpiece of their pushers? Why don't they realize that? And that it's nothing new, because some honest media-people said the same from the beginning of modern mass media? Where is their critical thinking? Why do they believe in the pretentious shit bombarding them on all channels? I also asked them if they could imagine what would happen if some(statistically long overdue) pandemic comes into play at the same time, and pointed them to gain of function research of corona virii under less than ideal security conditions, with either accidental or intentional release. Remember LIHOP/MIHOP? Suggesting that this could be used as a tool to push Bill Gates agenda, because big business, weakening current regulations regarding proper testing of vaccines and medication in general on one hand, and necessitating constant resupply on the other. Also things like 'long-covid' either by unavoidable mutations of the virus, once in the wild, side-effects of the beta-test vaccines, or both. Also our utter unpreparedness to handle something like this, be it the unavailability of masks, precise tests, and general overload of health systems, especially because of recent downsizings. And the additional stresses that would introduce into our just-in-time optimized global economy. Which in turn could be used as tool to weaken privacy, freedom of movement, by introducing things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID2020 and mandatory cashless society, mandatory smartphones and apps for tracking, and so on. Even though I'm not religious(in the traditional sense) at all, I wondered about how it is possible that this mostly fits some older prophecies. What weed they could have smoked, which magic mushrooms they'd have eaten, to get this close to predict what is happening now, from a few hundred years ago? Turning back to propaganda, Edward Bernays, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavistock_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavistock_Institute and how many terroristic acts of the younger past interestingly happened at the same time and place where some exercises/drills from official side were executed to prevent these. False flags. Am I a conspiracy nut now, or what? Crazy? Kassandros? Or just coldly analytical, even while fucking drunk? I assure you that I'm not 'inventing' this after the fact. I said these things in a timeframe of maybe two to three hours during the early evening, while having five glasses of that 'punch'. With an extra shot of berry 'schnaps' from Estonia. (Very yummie btw.!) Deutschland schafft sich ab! IN VINO VERITAS! HARR! Edit: I'm really tired of you naive nay-sayers. You really deserve this shit. Can't be helped. Edit: Can you imagine how I felt when I've read this a few days after release? https://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ https://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ Like OH NOES! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! HEAD -> DESK -> BANG, BANG, BANG! The same goes for that lil' burpie NS-1 & 2 had.

permo-w 4y ago

cut the snarky tone. if you disagree, you disagree. say that, don’t be unpleasant

rsj_hn 4y ago

How many of these nations - Had naval ships in the region at the time of the sabotage, conducting tests of remote controlled underwater exploding drones? - were previously caught with such a drone (seafox) sitting underneath the same pipeline that was blown up, and in the same location, in 2015? https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-found-near-nord-stream-pipeline https://www.pipeline-journal.net/news/explosive-laden-drone-... https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/gazprom-just-released-these-photos-of-a-nato-seafox-drone-that-was-found-right-next-to-nord-stream-1-in-2015-the-drone-failed-to-detonate https://www.investmentwatchblog.com/gazprom-just-released-th... - have a history of blowing up pipelines, including previously blowing up a Russian pipeline? - had a chief executive declare that said they "have the means" to put an end to the pipeline, even though it was not in their territorial waters and they had no legal means to do it? I mean, you can argue that it's speculation, but to argue that it's speculation without basis is false. This is a highly monitored part of the Baltic Sea, right next to a Danish island, in the Swedish exclusive economic zone, and close to a Polish NATO base. It's not the middle of nowhere. It's not some place where we don't know who was there. We know who had ships there at the time of the sabotage, and who had the technical means to do it. That's when you start getting into debates about US versus UK, but not Azerbaijan versus Venezuela.

Isinlor 4y ago
In the exercise took part Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Sweden, Turkey, the United Kingdom, and the United States. https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/06/baltops-22-multinational-exercise-kicks-off-in-the-baltic-sea/ https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/06/baltops-22-mult... Seafox is German produced and operated by United States, United Kingdom, Estonia, Finland, Germany, Netherlands, Sweden, Belgium, Japan. Blowing up pipelines? Russia? https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-troops-blow-up-gas-pipeline-kharkiv-2022-02-27/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russian-tr... Nord Stream 2 has damaged the West enough. Time to put an end to it. by Polish and Ukrainian Foreign Ministers: https://www.politico.eu/article/nord-stream-2-pipeline-has-damaged-the-west-enough-time-to-put-an-end-to-it/ https://www.politico.eu/article/nord-stream-2-pipeline-has-d... So, your "basis" did not narrow down it too much for me.

LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago

What if I told you that I 'predicted' exactly this at the end of 2018, while being massively intoxicated by hot wine punch on a christmas market? (Meaning using some military manoeuvre as cover to prepare the blow-up. (BALTOPS 22, remember?)) During talking about all sorts of stuff with some bystanders, about six or seven people, but mostly about the utter incompetence of our politicians, the 'energiewende', the shortsightedness of 'greenery' without accounting for really all externalities. The ruthlessness of american interests, the lies and distortions of mass media regarding geo-politics. Our utter dependency on gas for all sorts of industrial purposes(not only heating), and that everything will get more expensive, or even unavailable if that happens? And that this is clear for everyone to see, by extrapolating from what happened in the last few decades? Also the situation regarding the Ukraine, that there will be (larger)war, because of constant pressure from one side, which will be seen as crossing red lines from the other? Until something really BURSTS? I even got the moving of Ursula von der Leyen and Christine Lagarde from their former positions to their current ones exactly right. Jokingly: Yeah! "Flinten-Uschi" for Euro-Queen! That would be good!(Giggle...) But for that Lagarde has to be gone, so ECB for her! Also Annalena Baerbock, because trends dictate something green, female, not too old, two children. Has to be something which looks sympathic to the masses. No matter if absolutely numbskulled, or not. With her I've been slightly unsure about the exact position, and opted for either chancellorette, mistress of foreign affairs, or defence. Because being pushed by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Global_Leaders Which led to Klaus Schwab of WEF-fame, and the 'Great Reset', that this is no conspiracy theory, but out there in the open, on their site? And how that would be 'democratic' at all, if some people pushed by some rich assholes are moved into position behind the scenes, regardless of competence, to be just the mouthpiece of their pushers? Why don't they realize that? And that it's nothing new, because some honest media-people said the same from the beginning of modern mass media? Where is their critical thinking? Why do they believe in the pretentious shit bombarding them on all channels? I also asked them if they could imagine what would happen if some(statistically long overdue) pandemic comes into play at the same time, and pointed them to gain of function research of corona virii under less than ideal security conditions, with either accidental or intentional release. Remember LIHOP/MIHOP? Suggesting that this could be used as a tool to push Bill Gates agenda, because big business, weakening current regulations regarding proper testing of vaccines and medication in general on one hand, and necessitating constant resupply on the other. Also things like 'long-covid' either by unavoidable mutations of the virus, once in the wild, side-effects of the beta-test vaccines, or both. Also our utter unpreparedness to handle something like this, be it the unavailability of masks, precise tests, and general overload of health systems, especially because of recent downsizings. And the additional stresses that would introduce into our just-in-time optimized global economy. Which in turn could be used as tool to weaken privacy, freedom of movement, by introducing things like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID2020 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ID2020 and mandatory cashless society, mandatory smartphones and apps for tracking, and so on. Even though I'm not religious(in the traditional sense) at all, I wondered about how it is possible that this mostly fits some older prophecies. What weed they could have smoked, which magic mushrooms they'd have eaten, to get this close to predict what is happening now, from a few hundred years ago? Turning back to propaganda, Edward Bernays, the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavistock_Institute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tavistock_Institute and how many terroristic acts of the younger past interestingly happened at the same time and place where some exercises/drills from official side were executed to prevent these. False flags. Am I a conspiracy nut now, or what? Crazy? Kassandros? Or just coldly analytical, even while fucking drunk? I assure you that I'm not 'inventing' this after the fact. I said these things in a timeframe of maybe two to three hours during the early evening, while having five glasses of that 'punch'. With an extra shot of berry 'schnaps' from Estonia. (Very yummie btw.!) Deutschland schafft sich ab! IN VINO VERITAS! HARR! Edit: I'm really tired of you naive nay-sayers. You really deserve this shit. Can't be helped. Edit: Can you imagine how I felt when I've read this a few days after release? https://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ https://chinamediaproject.org/2020/01/27/dramatic-actions/ Like OH NOES! FUCK! FUCK! FUCK! HEAD -> DESK -> BANG, BANG, BANG! The same goes for that lil' burpie NS-1 & 2 had.