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Are you saying USA provoked the war, or somehow haven't done enough to avert it? If you remember events before the beginning of confrontation, it seems that USA

by kova12 4y ago

Are you saying USA provoked the war, or somehow haven't done enough to avert it? If you remember events before the beginning of confrontation, it seems that USA was bending outwards trying to prevent invasion. What else could we do?

thfuran 4y ago
>Are you saying USA provoked the war, No > or somehow haven't done enough to avert it? Well, it's patently obvious that the war wasn't averted. >If you remember events before the beginning of confrontation, it seems that USA was bending outwards trying to prevent invasion. I don't remember the US doing much at all when this started several years ago.
- dahdum 4y ago
  You seem to be arguing for more aggressive American interventionism, a perennial national political debate of rather global concern. I think you can rest assured it will be on quite the rise for the foreseeable future.
- Ralfp 4y ago
  What you consider a possible action to avert the war then?
  - thfuran 4y ago
    It seems likely that this recent invasion wouldn't have happened had severe sanctions been levied after Crimea was invaded. Or if Ukraine had been admitted to NATO. There were probably other more diplomatic avenues available. But it's hardly my area of expertise.
jemmyw 4y ago
Well, Ukraine wanted to join NATO, so the US could have given them a security guarantee for if Russia invaded further than Crimea. Russia never wants to be seen as the ones causing escalation, even when they are, so it seems unlikely they'd have tested that guarantee. Would have saved a lot of lives. Looking at what happened, it would also have saved a lot of lives if the US and allies had used their air forces to remove Russia at the beginning of the conflict. Never agreed with the assessment that would lead to ww3 or nuclear exchange, Russia would lose or everyone would lose in both cases.
- kova12 4y ago
  You are not only arguing with benefit of hindsight, many of your "if A then B" statements are highly speculative

by kova12 4y ago

thfuran 4y ago

>Are you saying USA provoked the war, No > or somehow haven't done enough to avert it? Well, it's patently obvious that the war wasn't averted. >If you remember events before the beginning of confrontation, it seems that USA was bending outwards trying to prevent invasion. I don't remember the US doing much at all when this started several years ago.

dahdum 4y ago
You seem to be arguing for more aggressive American interventionism, a perennial national political debate of rather global concern. I think you can rest assured it will be on quite the rise for the foreseeable future.
Ralfp 4y ago
What you consider a possible action to avert the war then?
- thfuran 4y ago
  It seems likely that this recent invasion wouldn't have happened had severe sanctions been levied after Crimea was invaded. Or if Ukraine had been admitted to NATO. There were probably other more diplomatic avenues available. But it's hardly my area of expertise.

jemmyw 4y ago

Well, Ukraine wanted to join NATO, so the US could have given them a security guarantee for if Russia invaded further than Crimea. Russia never wants to be seen as the ones causing escalation, even when they are, so it seems unlikely they'd have tested that guarantee. Would have saved a lot of lives. Looking at what happened, it would also have saved a lot of lives if the US and allies had used their air forces to remove Russia at the beginning of the conflict. Never agreed with the assessment that would lead to ww3 or nuclear exchange, Russia would lose or everyone would lose in both cases.

kova12 4y ago
You are not only arguing with benefit of hindsight, many of your "if A then B" statements are highly speculative