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I started using a thirdparty app several years ago and I see none of the crap that’s on the web or in the twitter app. It’s a night/day difference and lets me f

I started using a thirdparty app several years ago and I see none of the crap that’s on the web or in the twitter app. It’s a night/day difference and lets me follow the people I want or follow real-time events. I’m not sure how many people are actually leaving, in my list it’s about 30% at least. I think many people are leaving to not experience all the Elon stans get free reign and dunk on everyone in the name of free speech. I would hate for twitter to go away, but mastodon is such a trainwreck I think I will just cut out another social network if Musk tanks it.

AlchemistCamp 4y ago
> I’m not sure how many people are actually leaving, in my list it’s about 30% at least. Wow. The people on your list are nuts. Musk hasn’t even changed anything yet. The product is identical to what it was a month (or year) ago.
- ncallaway 4y ago
  The verification change destroyed a significant amount of value for me. As well, there have been moderation changes that I disagree with. It’s just not factually correct to say the product is identical to what it was a year ago. It’s not.
  - AlchemistCamp 4y ago
    Can you elaborate a bit? What has changed with either, as it impacts a user? I've looked hard but found zero change whatsoever.
    - ncallaway 4y ago
      Sure. Lots of public figures that I’ve heard of, but don’t follow, make statements on Twitter. When I come across those statements previously, if it says George Bush with a blue check, I just trusted that George Bush made that statement. Now, I don’t. So, what used to be a fairly reliable way to get to a pretty solid primary source for plenty of statements has become unreliable. I’m not really worried about over the top parody, that’s easy to spot, but more subtle impersonations really concern me. If, say, the Defense Minister of a foreign country posts something provocative, it’s much harder for me to know if they really posted that or not. It doesn’t impact me as a user who posts things, but it has a serious impact on me as a user who wants to validate that X person really did say Y.
      - AlchemistCamp 4y ago
        Is there an account successfully impersonating George Bush now? Can you link to it? My experience has been that there have been a TON of impersonators over the past 5 years, and the largest number I've come across have been impersonating Elon Musk and Vitalik Buterin. Trusting all blue checks a year ago would have been a very, very foolish strategy. From what I've seen, the verification hasn't gotten at all worse in the last week.
        ncallaway 4y ago
        > Trusting all blue checks a year ago would have been a very, very foolish strategy. Trust is a spectrum, and the old system wasn’t perfect, but it was vastly vastly better. I wouldn’t have absolute trust that an account was who it purported to be before, but I had much higher confidence that I did before. > From what I've seen, the verification hasn't gotten at all worse in the last week. Then we’ve had vastly different experiences. Did you miss the part where he sold verification for $8, but stopped doing the verification as part of that? It seems preposterous to claim nothing changed in this regard, while they literally introduced a new feature that entirely changed this aspect of the product. Edit: to clarify, I don’t think it’s preposterous to claim that your experience is better or unchanged in the new system. What seems preposterous to me is the claim that it’s unchanged from a month ago, when this specific area has undergone a drastic functional change.
        AlchemistCamp 4y ago
        It may seem preposterous to you, but none of the few hundred accounts I follow have had a change in verification status. I haven't seen a sudden surge in strangers in my feed with them, either. I also haven't seen an uptick in attempted scams. If anything, the number of fake Vitaliks and fake Elons with blue checks running scams (usually starting with an offer to give away crypto) I've stumbled across has been lower than it was early in the year. Perhaps there will be large changes over time due to the more open verification process recently announced, but they would take time to ripple out and have any impact on us more normal users.
- toofy 4y ago
  he’s changed a lot… he’s lost a massive chunk of the staff to run it. most of the moderation team is entirely gone. engineers have quit by the thousands. if you use two-factor authentication you were entirely locked out of your account. repeatedly i’ve seen entire sections of the website are either 5-10second waits or they just don’t even load at all with nothing but vague error messages. the experience is absolutely not the same as it was a month or a year ago.
  - AlchemistCamp 4y ago
    I use 2FA and haven't been locked out once. I haven't seen the 5-10 second reloads or "vague error messages" you're claiming either. Can you share a link to a specific route where there's something broken?
    - toofy 4y ago
      the two-factor problem was widely reported. even twitter's support discussed it. [0][1][2][3][4][5][6] here's a screenshot attempting to load twitter.com/home just 3 minutes ago [7]. these intermittent failures to load have been increasingly happening for me on multiple computers on multiple different networks. if you have been digging into this as much as you imply, you've surely seen the many, many other people discussing this. [0] https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-two-factor-sms-problems/ https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-two-factor-sms-problems/ [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/twitter-chaos-endangers-public-safety-emergency-managers-warn/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/twitter-chaos-end... [2] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/failures-in-twitters-two-factor-authentication-system.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/failures-in-t... [3] https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1592618615521492992 https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/159261861552149299... [4] https://www.techradar.com/news/live/live-blog-twitter-chaos-whats-going-on https://www.techradar.com/news/live/live-blog-twitter-chaos-... [5] https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/twitter-two-factor-authentication-acting-up-how-to-secure-your-account https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/twitter-two-factor-authenticati... [6] https://www.androidauthority.com/twitter-sms-2fa-3234698/ https://www.androidauthority.com/twitter-sms-2fa-3234698/ [7] https://imgur.com/a/XHiA5ZL https://imgur.com/a/XHiA5ZL

AlchemistCamp 4y ago

> I’m not sure how many people are actually leaving, in my list it’s about 30% at least. Wow. The people on your list are nuts. Musk hasn’t even changed anything yet. The product is identical to what it was a month (or year) ago.

ncallaway 4y ago
The verification change destroyed a significant amount of value for me. As well, there have been moderation changes that I disagree with. It’s just not factually correct to say the product is identical to what it was a year ago. It’s not.
- AlchemistCamp 4y ago
  Can you elaborate a bit? What has changed with either, as it impacts a user? I've looked hard but found zero change whatsoever.
  - ncallaway 4y ago
    Sure. Lots of public figures that I’ve heard of, but don’t follow, make statements on Twitter. When I come across those statements previously, if it says George Bush with a blue check, I just trusted that George Bush made that statement. Now, I don’t. So, what used to be a fairly reliable way to get to a pretty solid primary source for plenty of statements has become unreliable. I’m not really worried about over the top parody, that’s easy to spot, but more subtle impersonations really concern me. If, say, the Defense Minister of a foreign country posts something provocative, it’s much harder for me to know if they really posted that or not. It doesn’t impact me as a user who posts things, but it has a serious impact on me as a user who wants to validate that X person really did say Y.
    - AlchemistCamp 4y ago
      Is there an account successfully impersonating George Bush now? Can you link to it? My experience has been that there have been a TON of impersonators over the past 5 years, and the largest number I've come across have been impersonating Elon Musk and Vitalik Buterin. Trusting all blue checks a year ago would have been a very, very foolish strategy. From what I've seen, the verification hasn't gotten at all worse in the last week.
      - ncallaway 4y ago
        > Trusting all blue checks a year ago would have been a very, very foolish strategy. Trust is a spectrum, and the old system wasn’t perfect, but it was vastly vastly better. I wouldn’t have absolute trust that an account was who it purported to be before, but I had much higher confidence that I did before. > From what I've seen, the verification hasn't gotten at all worse in the last week. Then we’ve had vastly different experiences. Did you miss the part where he sold verification for $8, but stopped doing the verification as part of that? It seems preposterous to claim nothing changed in this regard, while they literally introduced a new feature that entirely changed this aspect of the product. Edit: to clarify, I don’t think it’s preposterous to claim that your experience is better or unchanged in the new system. What seems preposterous to me is the claim that it’s unchanged from a month ago, when this specific area has undergone a drastic functional change.
        AlchemistCamp 4y ago
        It may seem preposterous to you, but none of the few hundred accounts I follow have had a change in verification status. I haven't seen a sudden surge in strangers in my feed with them, either. I also haven't seen an uptick in attempted scams. If anything, the number of fake Vitaliks and fake Elons with blue checks running scams (usually starting with an offer to give away crypto) I've stumbled across has been lower than it was early in the year. Perhaps there will be large changes over time due to the more open verification process recently announced, but they would take time to ripple out and have any impact on us more normal users.
toofy 4y ago
he’s changed a lot… he’s lost a massive chunk of the staff to run it. most of the moderation team is entirely gone. engineers have quit by the thousands. if you use two-factor authentication you were entirely locked out of your account. repeatedly i’ve seen entire sections of the website are either 5-10second waits or they just don’t even load at all with nothing but vague error messages. the experience is absolutely not the same as it was a month or a year ago.
- AlchemistCamp 4y ago
  I use 2FA and haven't been locked out once. I haven't seen the 5-10 second reloads or "vague error messages" you're claiming either. Can you share a link to a specific route where there's something broken?
  - toofy 4y ago
    the two-factor problem was widely reported. even twitter's support discussed it. [0][1][2][3][4][5][6] here's a screenshot attempting to load twitter.com/home just 3 minutes ago [7]. these intermittent failures to load have been increasingly happening for me on multiple computers on multiple different networks. if you have been digging into this as much as you imply, you've surely seen the many, many other people discussing this. [0] https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-two-factor-sms-problems/ https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-two-factor-sms-problems/ [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/twitter-chaos-endangers-public-safety-emergency-managers-warn/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/twitter-chaos-end... [2] https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/failures-in-twitters-two-factor-authentication-system.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2022/11/failures-in-t... [3] https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1592618615521492992 https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/159261861552149299... [4] https://www.techradar.com/news/live/live-blog-twitter-chaos-whats-going-on https://www.techradar.com/news/live/live-blog-twitter-chaos-... [5] https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/twitter-two-factor-authentication-acting-up-how-to-secure-your-account https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/twitter-two-factor-authenticati... [6] https://www.androidauthority.com/twitter-sms-2fa-3234698/ https://www.androidauthority.com/twitter-sms-2fa-3234698/ [7] https://imgur.com/a/XHiA5ZL https://imgur.com/a/XHiA5ZL