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I think you're right about the end result, and I do not like it. I also disagree with the Riley case: unless you have REALLY good binoculars, there isn't any wa

I think you're right about the end result, and I do not like it. I also disagree with the Riley case: unless you have REALLY good binoculars, there isn't any way someone could tell what kind of plants are in a greenhouse at 400 feet.

mkl95 4y ago
It's a known fact that cops struggle to distinguish hemp from marijuana. If they can't do it when it's in front of their faces, there's no way they will at 400 feet.
- aerostable_slug 4y ago
  Even better: outdoor grows have been located via their heat signature at night (I have a relative who was a national guard pilot and did this). There's no way to know what's there, just that it's a different temp than the native greenery. Generally this is done on public / state land, but I imagine more than one raid on private land was cued by this technique.
- dehrmann 4y ago
  They're literally the same species. You might still need a license to produce hemp, so they could plausibly consult the license list, notice your cannabis, see you're not on the list, and get a warrant either way.
  - Melting_Harps 4y ago
    > You might still need a license to produce hemp, so they could plausibly consult the license list, notice your cannabis, see you're not on the list, and get a warrant either way. You;ll only appear on that list if you do so for commercial purposes and are required to get a license, furthermore you can legally grow MJ or Hemp without one provided you live in a legal state: where you are allowed up to 6 plants per Adult resident of your home above the age of 21. So you can legally have a large compliant grow if you live in a CO-OP as is common in several legalized States. And this very thing was disputed in CO in the early phases of Amendment 64 (legalizing recreational MJ and Industrial hemp in 2012), and then was made law of the land after the Farm bill of 2018 wherein hemp could be grown in all 50 stares as it was codified as a matter that was to be handled by their respective Department of Ag in their state/city. In short, their is nothing stopping anyone growing Industrial hemp as a crop for their own usage in a legal state if it is not used for commercial purposes, it is however, not wise to do so because the DEA can get a warrant and sill do a search and seizure and continue to use things like asset forfeiture to ruin your life in the process so it's best to limit such grows not because the Law doesn't allow it, but for the sheer fear of having an agency that is growing in irrelevance to come inot your Life when a rather easy to get license/permit will do--some States even distinguish between commercial and R/D for this very purpose and to skirt around Laws where Federal funding can be threatened as was the case with CU Boulder/Denver. > They're getting a warrant, not a conviction. While true, you can still have your Life ruined in the process of said search warrant and be subject to asset forfeiture. Personally speaking, i think that is a direct violation of one's 4th Amendment Right, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen and it's best to be avoided. Source: My startup was providing financial services and payment processing to the Legal Hemp Industry (2015-2018), and my co-founder was one of the first to legally do so under the seed/breeding program in CO.
rufus_foreman 4y ago
They're getting a warrant, not a conviction.

mkl95 4y ago

It's a known fact that cops struggle to distinguish hemp from marijuana. If they can't do it when it's in front of their faces, there's no way they will at 400 feet.

aerostable_slug 4y ago
Even better: outdoor grows have been located via their heat signature at night (I have a relative who was a national guard pilot and did this). There's no way to know what's there, just that it's a different temp than the native greenery. Generally this is done on public / state land, but I imagine more than one raid on private land was cued by this technique.
dehrmann 4y ago
They're literally the same species. You might still need a license to produce hemp, so they could plausibly consult the license list, notice your cannabis, see you're not on the list, and get a warrant either way.
- Melting_Harps 4y ago
  > You might still need a license to produce hemp, so they could plausibly consult the license list, notice your cannabis, see you're not on the list, and get a warrant either way. You;ll only appear on that list if you do so for commercial purposes and are required to get a license, furthermore you can legally grow MJ or Hemp without one provided you live in a legal state: where you are allowed up to 6 plants per Adult resident of your home above the age of 21. So you can legally have a large compliant grow if you live in a CO-OP as is common in several legalized States. And this very thing was disputed in CO in the early phases of Amendment 64 (legalizing recreational MJ and Industrial hemp in 2012), and then was made law of the land after the Farm bill of 2018 wherein hemp could be grown in all 50 stares as it was codified as a matter that was to be handled by their respective Department of Ag in their state/city. In short, their is nothing stopping anyone growing Industrial hemp as a crop for their own usage in a legal state if it is not used for commercial purposes, it is however, not wise to do so because the DEA can get a warrant and sill do a search and seizure and continue to use things like asset forfeiture to ruin your life in the process so it's best to limit such grows not because the Law doesn't allow it, but for the sheer fear of having an agency that is growing in irrelevance to come inot your Life when a rather easy to get license/permit will do--some States even distinguish between commercial and R/D for this very purpose and to skirt around Laws where Federal funding can be threatened as was the case with CU Boulder/Denver. > They're getting a warrant, not a conviction. While true, you can still have your Life ruined in the process of said search warrant and be subject to asset forfeiture. Personally speaking, i think that is a direct violation of one's 4th Amendment Right, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen and it's best to be avoided. Source: My startup was providing financial services and payment processing to the Legal Hemp Industry (2015-2018), and my co-founder was one of the first to legally do so under the seed/breeding program in CO.

rufus_foreman 4y ago

They're getting a warrant, not a conviction.