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Covid vaccine injury payouts explode to $77M, budget reveals

35 points by sfusato 4y ago

smt88 4y ago
> The compensation scheme, which is currently scheduled to end on April 17, 2024, allows Australians to claim for medical costs, lost wages or other expenses if they suffer an adverse reaction to a Covid vaccine. So basically you could have the common, harmless flu-like side effects of the vaccine, take few days off of work, and file for compensation.
- sfusato 4y ago
  Keep reading: But potential applicants and legal experts have criticised it as overly complex and difficult to access, since a medical professional is required to sign off on documentation linking the reaction to the vaccine, and only a small number of officially recognised side effects such as myocarditis are covered. Figures released earlier this month showed out of 2987 people to apply for compensation, only 59 were successful, with experts describing the rate of payouts as “absolutely pitiful”.
  - trog 4y ago
    > Figures released earlier this month showed out of 2987 people to apply for compensation, only 59 were successful Even if 100% of these were successful this would still mean the vaccines were complication free for the vast, vast majority of people. Even if you assume the complexity of the process meant that 1 in 10 people who thought they had an adverse reaction were put off applying, it'd be something like 0.1% of cases having adverse reactions. Of course I'd tend to trust medical professionals figuring out if a payout was relevant a little bit more than the applicants or 'legal experts' that are complaining about the complex process. (Anecdata: I know of one person in my entire network who had an adverse reaction (outside of cold/flu symptoms) - bursitis in his elbow - from a COVID vaccinte. I personally only ever got a mild headache from the first one & nothing more from the others I've had.)
    - junofan 4y ago
      I think it’s reasonable to say these risks were not adequately communicated to the public.
      - trog 4y ago
        > I think it’s reasonable to say these risks were not adequately communicated to the public. As with pretty much every vaccination for all time, the vanishingly tiny risks are massively outweighed by the benefits. But yes, the risks should be communicated. Maybe they are not in some areas? I feel like most times when I get a vaccination, I am reminded of the potential risks. Here they always make you wait 15 minutes after the shot for observation just in case there are any immediate adverse affects (this is in Australia). Here, for the first two COVID shots (at least) there was a reasonably intense screening process which ran through things like heart issues, etc.
        sfusato 4y ago
        > As with pretty much every vaccination for all time, the vanishingly tiny risks are massively outweighed by the benefits. You're not aware of past vaccine disasters, vaccines withdrawn from market over safety concerns .etc? Here's from the CDC's mouth, a source I wouldn't call neutral at all: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history....
pstuart 4y ago
This subject is so vexing, because historically Big Pharma has consistently shown to be untrustworthy in how they conduct their business. That has to be countered with the societal value of the vaccines they produce. The anti-vax movement creates an awkward dance of defending big pharma to deliver this aid whilst knowing that the cannot be trusted 100% to do the right thing.
- puffoflogic 4y ago
  The anti-vax movement had nothing to do with anyone defending Big Pharma. Claiming they did is an obvious lie meant to gaslight people into continuing that defense. Anyone who defends big pharma and gaslights other people into doing so as well has made their own, free, morally corrupt choice.
  - pstuart 4y ago
    Being that vaccines are made by Big Pharma, and the anti-vax movement says we can't trust vaccines one has to imply that one can trust Big Pharma because we have to trust what they are delivering. Of course this nuance might be beyond many, as it's consistently acknowledged that vaccines do come with some risk and that efficacy is not 100 percent guaranteed. edit: first statement was awkward but essence is the same
    - puffoflogic 4y ago
      > because we have to trust what they are delivering Only if you're gaslighting for big pharma, which seems to be something you're very comfortable with. But keep blaming others for your own evil.
      - pstuart 4y ago
        You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Pro tip: being an asshole isn't going to help win any arguments. All you've done is demonstrate why anti-vaxxers are beyond reason.
miles 4y ago
How several jurisdictions are responding to COVID vaccine injuries: Asia: $1.26m paid to 296 with serious side effects after COVID vaccination in Singapore https://news.yahoo.com/296-payout-serious-side-effects-covid-vaccination-singapore-073751905.html https://news.yahoo.com/296-payout-serious-side-effects-covid... Girl to receive NT$3 million payout for adverse COVID vaccine reaction https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202209080026 https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202209080026 Man gets NT$400,000 payout for adverse COVID-19 vaccine reaction https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202210150017 https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202210150017 North America: Feds Pay Zero Claims For Covid-19 Vaccine Injuries/Deaths https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/11/04/feds-pay-zero-claims-for-covid-19-vaccine-injuriesdeaths/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/11/04/fed... B.C. man among first approved for Canada's Vaccine Injury Support Program still waiting for compensation https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/b-c-man-among-first-approved-for-canada-s-vaccine-injury-support-program-still-waiting-for-compensation-1.6029190 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/b-c-man-among-firs...
- sattoshi 4y ago
  I imagine north America has become so politicized that they want to minimize payoffs lest they give “anti-vaxxers” ammunition.

35 points by sfusato 4y ago

> The compensation scheme, which is currently scheduled to end on April 17, 2024, allows Australians to claim for medical costs, lost wages or other expenses if they suffer an adverse reaction to a Covid vaccine. So basically you could have the common, harmless flu-like side effects of the vaccine, take few days off of work, and file for compensation.

sfusato 4y ago
Keep reading: But potential applicants and legal experts have criticised it as overly complex and difficult to access, since a medical professional is required to sign off on documentation linking the reaction to the vaccine, and only a small number of officially recognised side effects such as myocarditis are covered. Figures released earlier this month showed out of 2987 people to apply for compensation, only 59 were successful, with experts describing the rate of payouts as “absolutely pitiful”.
- trog 4y ago
  > Figures released earlier this month showed out of 2987 people to apply for compensation, only 59 were successful Even if 100% of these were successful this would still mean the vaccines were complication free for the vast, vast majority of people. Even if you assume the complexity of the process meant that 1 in 10 people who thought they had an adverse reaction were put off applying, it'd be something like 0.1% of cases having adverse reactions. Of course I'd tend to trust medical professionals figuring out if a payout was relevant a little bit more than the applicants or 'legal experts' that are complaining about the complex process. (Anecdata: I know of one person in my entire network who had an adverse reaction (outside of cold/flu symptoms) - bursitis in his elbow - from a COVID vaccinte. I personally only ever got a mild headache from the first one & nothing more from the others I've had.)
  - junofan 4y ago
    I think it’s reasonable to say these risks were not adequately communicated to the public.
    - trog 4y ago
      > I think it’s reasonable to say these risks were not adequately communicated to the public. As with pretty much every vaccination for all time, the vanishingly tiny risks are massively outweighed by the benefits. But yes, the risks should be communicated. Maybe they are not in some areas? I feel like most times when I get a vaccination, I am reminded of the potential risks. Here they always make you wait 15 minutes after the shot for observation just in case there are any immediate adverse affects (this is in Australia). Here, for the first two COVID shots (at least) there was a reasonably intense screening process which ran through things like heart issues, etc.
      - sfusato 4y ago
        > As with pretty much every vaccination for all time, the vanishingly tiny risks are massively outweighed by the benefits. You're not aware of past vaccine disasters, vaccines withdrawn from market over safety concerns .etc? Here's from the CDC's mouth, a source I wouldn't call neutral at all: https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/concerns-history....

pstuart 4y ago

This subject is so vexing, because historically Big Pharma has consistently shown to be untrustworthy in how they conduct their business. That has to be countered with the societal value of the vaccines they produce. The anti-vax movement creates an awkward dance of defending big pharma to deliver this aid whilst knowing that the cannot be trusted 100% to do the right thing.

puffoflogic 4y ago
The anti-vax movement had nothing to do with anyone defending Big Pharma. Claiming they did is an obvious lie meant to gaslight people into continuing that defense. Anyone who defends big pharma and gaslights other people into doing so as well has made their own, free, morally corrupt choice.
- pstuart 4y ago
  Being that vaccines are made by Big Pharma, and the anti-vax movement says we can't trust vaccines one has to imply that one can trust Big Pharma because we have to trust what they are delivering. Of course this nuance might be beyond many, as it's consistently acknowledged that vaccines do come with some risk and that efficacy is not 100 percent guaranteed. edit: first statement was awkward but essence is the same
  - puffoflogic 4y ago
    > because we have to trust what they are delivering Only if you're gaslighting for big pharma, which seems to be something you're very comfortable with. But keep blaming others for your own evil.
    - pstuart 4y ago
      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Pro tip: being an asshole isn't going to help win any arguments. All you've done is demonstrate why anti-vaxxers are beyond reason.

miles 4y ago

How several jurisdictions are responding to COVID vaccine injuries: Asia: $1.26m paid to 296 with serious side effects after COVID vaccination in Singapore https://news.yahoo.com/296-payout-serious-side-effects-covid-vaccination-singapore-073751905.html https://news.yahoo.com/296-payout-serious-side-effects-covid... Girl to receive NT$3 million payout for adverse COVID vaccine reaction https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202209080026 https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202209080026 Man gets NT$400,000 payout for adverse COVID-19 vaccine reaction https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202210150017 https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202210150017 North America: Feds Pay Zero Claims For Covid-19 Vaccine Injuries/Deaths https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/11/04/feds-pay-zero-claims-for-covid-19-vaccine-injuriesdeaths/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/11/04/fed... B.C. man among first approved for Canada's Vaccine Injury Support Program still waiting for compensation https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/b-c-man-among-first-approved-for-canada-s-vaccine-injury-support-program-still-waiting-for-compensation-1.6029190 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/b-c-man-among-firs...

sattoshi 4y ago
I imagine north America has become so politicized that they want to minimize payoffs lest they give “anti-vaxxers” ammunition.