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It's very exciting, but my first thought was that I'd look like jelly after that thing gets t-boned by a F-150 or some other monster truck. I'm very curious if

It's very exciting, but my first thought was that I'd look like jelly after that thing gets t-boned by a F-150 or some other monster truck. I'm very curious if it even has airbags, the console looks so minimal. I know that these taxis will be in slowing moving city traffic, but nonetheless it's an automobile and should have (IMO) all of the safety of a modern day sedan.

jeffbee 4y ago
"These technologies come with no compromise on safety. All SEA-M-based vehicles will meet global five-star safety standards as well as top safety pick requirements from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS)."
- Wonnk13 4y ago
  ahhh, I read too fast. Thank you for this.
  - fio_ini 4y ago
    is there still any way you'd want to get in this? there's not anything manual and it's honestly a huge statistical gamble riding around in this thing. Even with airbags, why would you risk your life? At least a steering wheel and pedals for example so you could take over if you need to. There's no way you would be safe in the middle of an intersection if someone came flying through a red light, which as a conscious being you could see from a distance when you look both ways as far as you can see. You'd be like oh snap someone is flying the car's not gonna stop! Current state of autonomous driving is not sophisticated enough to predict erratic human behavior. An example is a car crossing over your lane that's turning left from oncoming traffic without any stop signs/lights. Human drivers will sometimes cross at the very last second turn on the brakes at the last second, cut you off at the last second, and the car will probably slam on the brakes so hard it will send you from the second row to the first row or break your neck from whiplash even if you're only going 20-30mph, it's a hard stop.
    - minwcnt5 4y ago
      > Current state of autonomous driving is not sophisticated enough to predict cars crossing lanes that's turning and crossing your lane from oncoming traffic. This is just completely false. AV software stacks absolutely can and do predict off-nominal behavior like you describe. In general they predict better than humans, too.
      - fio_ini 4y ago
        you're literally talking about using a lidar and some object detection (for car and other large objects) to predict human behavior. you obviously don't realize that the human behavior is in the other car with eyeballs, mouth, head movement, body movement. that part is not being tracked. that part is human behavior. and that's where the car movements start. so everything that the "AV" is predicting is super old information because the human is full seconds ahead of doing whatever the computer is reacting to later by seeing a large object move seconds after the human brain has caluclated it's behavior. the computer is not solving the human part which you claim it does.
      - fio_ini 4y ago
        this is something that humans do seamlessly and you don't realize because you're probably robot. but we look eachother in the eyes, hand wave, point, etc. not always (these are the asshole drives) but you get the point. humans are superior and always will be until it's completely computer cars on the road that are networked so they can be networked the same way humans are networked to gether.
    - jeffbee 4y ago
      The computer sees cars that are going to run red lights, at great distances, with complete certainty, and without overlooking any of them. The example you have chosen is one in which the self-driving system is indisputably superior.
      - fio_ini 4y ago
        the transitions are so off an irregular that you're gonna get hit or rear ended
- MereInterest 4y ago
  If I recall correctly, collision testing is only done between vehicles of equivalent size. I do not for the life of me know why that is, but it's a pretty big problem for the safety standards.
  - pornel 4y ago
    This thinking makes US keep moving towards driving literal tanks on the road.
    - cmpolis 4y ago
      It would be great if we could end this arms race of bigger and bigger cars - they're less efficient, worse for pedestrians (bad sight lines and likeliness of injury if hit), take up more space and most of all - completely unnecessary in most cases!
klyrs 4y ago
It looks like an extremely typical minivan to me. The pillars are really thick, so they're almost certainly loaded with airbags.
nikanj 4y ago
And the true ’murican solution is making this car a 8-ton tank, not removing the monster trucks from our roads :(

jeffbee 4y ago

"These technologies come with no compromise on safety. All SEA-M-based vehicles will meet global five-star safety standards as well as top safety pick requirements from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS)."

Wonnk13 4y ago
ahhh, I read too fast. Thank you for this.
- fio_ini 4y ago
  is there still any way you'd want to get in this? there's not anything manual and it's honestly a huge statistical gamble riding around in this thing. Even with airbags, why would you risk your life? At least a steering wheel and pedals for example so you could take over if you need to. There's no way you would be safe in the middle of an intersection if someone came flying through a red light, which as a conscious being you could see from a distance when you look both ways as far as you can see. You'd be like oh snap someone is flying the car's not gonna stop! Current state of autonomous driving is not sophisticated enough to predict erratic human behavior. An example is a car crossing over your lane that's turning left from oncoming traffic without any stop signs/lights. Human drivers will sometimes cross at the very last second turn on the brakes at the last second, cut you off at the last second, and the car will probably slam on the brakes so hard it will send you from the second row to the first row or break your neck from whiplash even if you're only going 20-30mph, it's a hard stop.
  - minwcnt5 4y ago
    > Current state of autonomous driving is not sophisticated enough to predict cars crossing lanes that's turning and crossing your lane from oncoming traffic. This is just completely false. AV software stacks absolutely can and do predict off-nominal behavior like you describe. In general they predict better than humans, too.
    - fio_ini 4y ago
      you're literally talking about using a lidar and some object detection (for car and other large objects) to predict human behavior. you obviously don't realize that the human behavior is in the other car with eyeballs, mouth, head movement, body movement. that part is not being tracked. that part is human behavior. and that's where the car movements start. so everything that the "AV" is predicting is super old information because the human is full seconds ahead of doing whatever the computer is reacting to later by seeing a large object move seconds after the human brain has caluclated it's behavior. the computer is not solving the human part which you claim it does.
    - fio_ini 4y ago
      this is something that humans do seamlessly and you don't realize because you're probably robot. but we look eachother in the eyes, hand wave, point, etc. not always (these are the asshole drives) but you get the point. humans are superior and always will be until it's completely computer cars on the road that are networked so they can be networked the same way humans are networked to gether.
  - jeffbee 4y ago
    The computer sees cars that are going to run red lights, at great distances, with complete certainty, and without overlooking any of them. The example you have chosen is one in which the self-driving system is indisputably superior.
    - fio_ini 4y ago
      the transitions are so off an irregular that you're gonna get hit or rear ended
MereInterest 4y ago
If I recall correctly, collision testing is only done between vehicles of equivalent size. I do not for the life of me know why that is, but it's a pretty big problem for the safety standards.
- pornel 4y ago
  This thinking makes US keep moving towards driving literal tanks on the road.
  - cmpolis 4y ago
    It would be great if we could end this arms race of bigger and bigger cars - they're less efficient, worse for pedestrians (bad sight lines and likeliness of injury if hit), take up more space and most of all - completely unnecessary in most cases!

klyrs 4y ago

It looks like an extremely typical minivan to me. The pillars are really thick, so they're almost certainly loaded with airbags.

nikanj 4y ago

And the true ’murican solution is making this car a 8-ton tank, not removing the monster trucks from our roads :(