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So, this guy buys up cocaine from some (probably highly violent) drug producers from some poor country, but as he didn't kill anyone himself he is a nice guy?

So, this guy buys up cocaine from some (probably highly violent) drug producers from some poor country, but as he didn't kill anyone himself he is a nice guy? Discussing drug legalization is one thing, but many people die every year by the hands of the same guys that deliver the drugs to those nice guys... Come on... He earned good legal money as a player and had business with those ruthless drug producers, even if it through some mediators. If you fuel violence with your money, you are not a nice guy, even if there is not any actual blood in your hands.

sbmassey 15y ago
They should have some kind of "fair trade" certification for drugs so that you know that the producers are gentle-hearted, God-fearing types.
learc83 15y ago
He's not the one fueling violence. Our government's policies are fueling the violence, so by that definition none of us are "nice guys."
- alberich 15y ago
  Well, this kind of relative thinking brings us to another question that has not much to do with this topic. Should laws be followed or not? Is it morally valid to do ilegal stuff because one believes that the law is wrong? I'm adept of respecting law and trying to change it through our representatives. Now if you fight the government, the government will fight back, and innocent people get killed in the process (by both sides). So the question "are we all bad guys?" depends very much on what you believe that is morally correct. I appologise for being so absolutist, when moral is the topic nothing is universal. ps. and I know, I'm sorry, my english skills suck :)
  - learc83 15y ago
    > Is it morally valid to do ilegal stuff because one believes that the law is wrong? I say yes with absolute conviction. If the law is immoral, it is immoral to follow it. This is an extreme example, but it supports my position--It was illegal to harbor Jews during the Nazi's reign. If, in Germany in 1939, you turned in your neighbor for harboring Jews, you were most definitely acting immorally, and your lawbreaking neighbor was acting morally.

sbmassey 15y ago

They should have some kind of "fair trade" certification for drugs so that you know that the producers are gentle-hearted, God-fearing types.

learc83 15y ago

He's not the one fueling violence. Our government's policies are fueling the violence, so by that definition none of us are "nice guys."

alberich 15y ago
Well, this kind of relative thinking brings us to another question that has not much to do with this topic. Should laws be followed or not? Is it morally valid to do ilegal stuff because one believes that the law is wrong? I'm adept of respecting law and trying to change it through our representatives. Now if you fight the government, the government will fight back, and innocent people get killed in the process (by both sides). So the question "are we all bad guys?" depends very much on what you believe that is morally correct. I appologise for being so absolutist, when moral is the topic nothing is universal. ps. and I know, I'm sorry, my english skills suck :)
- learc83 15y ago
  > Is it morally valid to do ilegal stuff because one believes that the law is wrong? I say yes with absolute conviction. If the law is immoral, it is immoral to follow it. This is an extreme example, but it supports my position--It was illegal to harbor Jews during the Nazi's reign. If, in Germany in 1939, you turned in your neighbor for harboring Jews, you were most definitely acting immorally, and your lawbreaking neighbor was acting morally.