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> "10% of people do 90% of the work." Those 10% quit the moment they were offered an ultimatum. If you're one of the 10% of people who are holding up a company

> "10% of people do 90% of the work." Those 10% quit the moment they were offered an ultimatum. If you're one of the 10% of people who are holding up a company, you quit when an asshole boss comes around. You got plenty of other companies who you'd rather work for. If you're an engineer of any caliber, even in this economy, you simply don't have to put up with any of this crap at all. And there's no reason to sign on (or stay on) to a company that treats you like this. > So, when you continually slice away the bad portions of something, all that you're left with is 1 of 2 potential outcomes: False dichotomy. There's #3. #3: Everyone who was holding up the company, the "10% who do all the work", switched jobs and is now working for Facebook across the street.

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netsharc 4y ago
Yeah, grandparent's copy-paste is bullcrap, if you don't believe the cause or the leader, why put in the super effort? Especially if it looks like the "leader" starts with a "You're all my enemy" attitude, and he still hasn't put out a roadmap to greatness (he's made a lot of dirty laundry public, is he keeping the roadmap a secret?) Yeah "Want to go hardcore, click 'Yes'.". Hardcore to where, doofus?
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kevinventullo 4y ago
Under different circumstances I would find #3 more plausible, but Facebook itself just laid off a bunch of people and pretty much all the big tech cos have frozen hiring. So, finding another job that pays as well as Twitter hasn’t been harder since 2008.
user1029384756 4y ago
> #3: Everyone who was holding up the company, the "10% who do all the work", switched jobs and is now working for Facebook across the street You mean Meta? The company that froze hiring and just laid off 11,000 employees?
- dragontamer 4y ago
  Top tier engineers who get things done are always, always welcome at any tech firm. Assuming they have enough recognition of course. See the Twitter Android engineer / accessibility team guy who got fired publicly on Twitter last week, instantly got a bunch of job offers.
- tkiolp4 4y ago
  Don’t be naive. Facebook is still hiring (not publicly like before), top positions, though.
stuckinhell 4y ago
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592976585858351105 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592976585858351105 Some engineers like George Hotz seem onboard with the new approach. I have no doubt some there are a couple hundred talented developers in the USA who would not only be fine, but enjoy the challenge. My company has a "special operations task force" of disagreeable highly technical 10x to 100x engineers who come onto failing projects, fix them, and leave. These guys enjoy (almost unbelievably) extremely hard projects, and working 18-20 hr days to fix messes. They once took over a conference room for 2 weeks, and slept and showered in the company while fixing a major product. I'm a manager for a high performance team but not that high performance. I have list of at least 100 names of high profile performance developers we keep an eye on.
- kranke155 4y ago
  Tbh that is a very interesting model.
- dragontamer 4y ago
  I'm not saying it can't be done. But... https://twitter.com/peterclowes/status/1593458225533313025 https://twitter.com/peterclowes/status/1593458225533313025 > Finally, there was no retention plan for those that stayed. No clear upside for sticking it through the storm on the horizon. Just “trust us” style verbal promises. But tweeps overall were untrusting after the 7 months of acquisition drama, recent tweets, and leaks etc. > So my friends are gone, the vision is murky, there is a storm coming and a no financial upside. What would you do? Would you sacrifice time with your kids over the holidays for vague assurances and the opportunity to make a rich person richer or would you take the out? -------- What's Elon Musk's vision here? Does he even have a plan? That's the most outstanding part of this all. It has become blatantly obvious that Elon _HAS NO PLAN_. Its one thing to work for 20-hour days when you know what to do. But what is the plan for Twitter? The plan was "Come to the office on Friday to give Elon Musk a rundown on the code". For anyone who has worked in difficult circumstances, this has to be one of the worst "visions" offered to "Hardcore" engineers ever. Or is the "vision" seriously just "keep Twitter running over the weekend" ?? And then what? Next week comes, and you'll need that herculean effort to once again keep Twitter open for just another week. You're not getting paid any extra. All your friends have left. Institutional knowledge and trusted friends are gone. The boss is a nitwit who doesn't even understand the code, and there's no plan for what Twitter will be next week, let alone next year. (Shadowbans? Or not? Paid $8 blue checkmarks? Or not? There's a distinct lack of mission here). Its not worth it to put in 20 hour days when the boss can't even decide if $8 blue / grey checkmarks are a good or bad idea.

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netsharc 4y ago

Yeah, grandparent's copy-paste is bullcrap, if you don't believe the cause or the leader, why put in the super effort? Especially if it looks like the "leader" starts with a "You're all my enemy" attitude, and he still hasn't put out a roadmap to greatness (he's made a lot of dirty laundry public, is he keeping the roadmap a secret?) Yeah "Want to go hardcore, click 'Yes'.". Hardcore to where, doofus?

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kevinventullo 4y ago

Under different circumstances I would find #3 more plausible, but Facebook itself just laid off a bunch of people and pretty much all the big tech cos have frozen hiring. So, finding another job that pays as well as Twitter hasn’t been harder since 2008.

user1029384756 4y ago

> #3: Everyone who was holding up the company, the "10% who do all the work", switched jobs and is now working for Facebook across the street You mean Meta? The company that froze hiring and just laid off 11,000 employees?

dragontamer 4y ago
Top tier engineers who get things done are always, always welcome at any tech firm. Assuming they have enough recognition of course. See the Twitter Android engineer / accessibility team guy who got fired publicly on Twitter last week, instantly got a bunch of job offers.
tkiolp4 4y ago
Don’t be naive. Facebook is still hiring (not publicly like before), top positions, though.

stuckinhell 4y ago

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592976585858351105 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592976585858351105 Some engineers like George Hotz seem onboard with the new approach. I have no doubt some there are a couple hundred talented developers in the USA who would not only be fine, but enjoy the challenge. My company has a "special operations task force" of disagreeable highly technical 10x to 100x engineers who come onto failing projects, fix them, and leave. These guys enjoy (almost unbelievably) extremely hard projects, and working 18-20 hr days to fix messes. They once took over a conference room for 2 weeks, and slept and showered in the company while fixing a major product. I'm a manager for a high performance team but not that high performance. I have list of at least 100 names of high profile performance developers we keep an eye on.

kranke155 4y ago
Tbh that is a very interesting model.
dragontamer 4y ago
I'm not saying it can't be done. But... https://twitter.com/peterclowes/status/1593458225533313025 https://twitter.com/peterclowes/status/1593458225533313025 > Finally, there was no retention plan for those that stayed. No clear upside for sticking it through the storm on the horizon. Just “trust us” style verbal promises. But tweeps overall were untrusting after the 7 months of acquisition drama, recent tweets, and leaks etc. > So my friends are gone, the vision is murky, there is a storm coming and a no financial upside. What would you do? Would you sacrifice time with your kids over the holidays for vague assurances and the opportunity to make a rich person richer or would you take the out? -------- What's Elon Musk's vision here? Does he even have a plan? That's the most outstanding part of this all. It has become blatantly obvious that Elon _HAS NO PLAN_. Its one thing to work for 20-hour days when you know what to do. But what is the plan for Twitter? The plan was "Come to the office on Friday to give Elon Musk a rundown on the code". For anyone who has worked in difficult circumstances, this has to be one of the worst "visions" offered to "Hardcore" engineers ever. Or is the "vision" seriously just "keep Twitter running over the weekend" ?? And then what? Next week comes, and you'll need that herculean effort to once again keep Twitter open for just another week. You're not getting paid any extra. All your friends have left. Institutional knowledge and trusted friends are gone. The boss is a nitwit who doesn't even understand the code, and there's no plan for what Twitter will be next week, let alone next year. (Shadowbans? Or not? Paid $8 blue checkmarks? Or not? There's a distinct lack of mission here). Its not worth it to put in 20 hour days when the boss can't even decide if $8 blue / grey checkmarks are a good or bad idea.