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Twitter removed their diversity page some time between November 16, 2022 and now
- almog 4y agoUpdated the title with November 16th (rather than 11th which is the last date it appears on Wayback Machine) as I was able to narrow it down using Google's Cache: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fcareers.twitter.com%2Fen%2Fdiversity.html http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps...
- bergenty 4y agoThe 25% minorities seems trivial to hit with Asians/Indians and is probably naturally higher than that. But wow on the woman quota, I can’t imagine how easy they had to make those interviews to hit that number.
- whymauri 4y ago>But wow on the woman quota, I can’t imagine how easy they had to make those interviews to hit that number. :/ They said the same about MIT (50-50 gender ratio). In reality smart women just like studying with other smart women. I doubt it's different in the workplace. In other words, there's a positive feedback loop.
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- shakezula 4y agoThis is disgustingly sexist. Some of the brightest engineers I know are women. Get that attitude off this forum, it does not belong here.
- jdthedisciple 4y agoWrong. Realistically assuming a 4-8x larger pool of potential male engineers, as well as assuming equal average skill among males and females, hiring 50% women is what's disgustingly sexist. If 10 woman and 40 men apply and you hire 5 each based only on sex, you are sexually discriminating against the 35 other men some of whom are statistically highly likely to be better candidates than some of the 5 women hired. Get your identity politics off this forum, it does not belong here.
- shakezula 4y agoIt’s not identity politics to call out blatantly sexist statements that question the intelligence and capabilities of women in this field. The men aren’t being “sexually discriminated” against, they’re being competed against and that threatens you. Grow up.
- jdthedisciple 4y agoHey I'm all for competition. Just keep it fair!
- bitshiftfaced 4y agoYou're not responding to the actual argument. Can we agree that men and women are equally capable and intelligent? You have 40 male candidates and 10 female candidates. Let's say only the top 20% of all candidates are good enough. That would mean 40/5 =8 male candidates and 10/5=2 female candidates would be suitable hires. If instead you hired 5 male and 5 female candidates under these conditions, then you would've been discriminating against male candidates in that you hired female candidates that didn't meet your "top 20% of total candidates" criteria.
- ImPostingOnHN 4y agodo we have data showing that men and women who self select into the profession are equally capable?
- adam_arthur 4y agoHow about focus on hiring the best people?
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- cratermoon 4y agoYeah, how about that? Look beyond the Stanford/MIT/Berkeley pipeline, find people who are good, not just part of the techbro club.
- adam_arthur 4y agoYes, most companies do that. School is weakly correlated with real world performance
- dudul 4y agoHonest question: do hiring managers look at what college an applicant attended? I don't, couldn't care less about your GPA and what not.
- adam_arthur 4y agoOnly in passing. It makes no difference in the end
- spurgu 4y agoGood. Hiring based on race is... racist.
- bergenty 4y agoI think the bigger problem here is 50% for women. Mind blowing.
- shakezula 4y agoWhy is that mind blowing?
- kryogen1c 4y agoBecause the pool of male engineers is ~4-8x larger than female candidates, so hiring 50% women is intentionally hiring worse employees because of their genitals.
- sirius87 4y agoIsn't the interview process the same for each role regardless? How does the size of the pool matter?
- jdthedisciple 4y agoThe interview process may be the same but the hiring choices ultimately must be discriminatorily skewed to achieve 50% women in the workforce if the percentage of women among the applicants is way less.
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- jcims 4y agoI've been part of a number of recruiting exercises to hire 20-100 SWEs at different levels. DE&I is front and center, both implicitly through corporate culture and explicitly through reminders, comments, etc in the process. It very clearly influences outcomes. I've come to terms with it as the results have been pretty impressive in the last place I worked. It creates a 'put up or shut up' environment where excuses don't really get much traction. I led a team of eight SWE and six were women, representing both the top and bottom of skillset and teamwork in my crew, one in particular being easily top three engineers I've worked with in my 25 year career. She has the potential to go very very far.
- saos 4y agoWhy would they do this?
- klyrs 4y agoMusk is pretty vocally anti-"woke" and twitter is his bully pulpit. Why would you expect anything else?
- leephillips 4y agoA better question is, why would they have thought to inflict such a cringeworthy thing on the public in the first place?
- HarryHirsch 4y agoNo one there seems to be over 40. I feel excluded, and am being entirely serious here. Also - Twitter have offices in Ireland, don't they? How is religious diversity coming along in the Dublin office? The Catholic-Protestant conflict is less bitter in Dublin than in Belfast, but one cannot pretend discrimination and division is about race everywhere.
- leephillips 4y agoExactly. I see people of both sexes and various shades, who all look the same.
- HarryHirsch 4y agoThe stupid grins on everyone's face are especially off-putting.
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- alexriddle 4y agoNot just the diversity page - it looks like they removed a bunch of pages from the careers site - e.g the "early career" page that is in the header is also removed. Only the "search jobs" button remains. See the header at https://careers.twitter.com https://careers.twitter.com
- andylynch 4y agoThat is also moot since they currently have zero positions posted.
- hobbitstan 4y agoMaybe they realized that 71% of Silicon Valley being foreign-born H1b visa holders isn’t really the best image for ‘diversity’? https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/meta-facebook-layoffs-h1b-visas-immigration.html https://slate.com/technology/2022/11/meta-facebook-layoffs-h... Bonus: almost half of Meta employees are from Asia. Reminds me of a screenshot of WPengines ‘diversity’ pledge on their website that proceeded to state nearly 80% of their staff were female. They changed it not long after.
- dudul 4y agoThis last paragraph reminds me of a all hands monthly meeting a while ago during which the DE&I lady reported that we did great with diversity during the past month by hiring ~80% women.
- thesid 4y agoLOL this happened with us too. We were 2 indians and 2 white guys from norway in the team. We needed to add more jr devs to our team to carry out some of the tasks. They only ever sent us resumes for women and when we finally hired 2 women they thanked us for being a open and accepting team. We had to weed out 18 candidates before we settled on the only good ones. so it was almost 2/20 hit rate
- cscurmudgeon 4y ago> Bonus: almost half of Meta employees are from Asia. That seems low for a global company as around 60% of the global population is in Asia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_continental_subregions_by_population https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_continents_and_contine...
- negamax 4y agoAccess to education and infrastructure could be the reason for disparity. But real challenge to solve is to have 60% of giant corps coming from Asia, run with proper corporate controls.
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- MrMan 4y agoa lot of very bitter and petty assholes here, I say curiously and in good faith
- shakezula 4y agoI’m frankly just disappointed. There’s a comment in this thread questioning how much they had to “dumb down” the interviews for women. It’s fucked up in this field and it frustrates me to no end because the women I’ve worked with are far and away some of the best and they constantly deal with this attitude. It’s not okay and the bar should be higher for this orange website.
- jdthedisciple 4y agoHere's a reality check for you. "Fire brigade relaxes strength and fitness test to make entry easier for women" [1] This stuff has precedent. [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375381/Fire-service-strength-fitness-tests-relaxed-allow-women-firefighters.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375381/Fire-servic...
- shakezula 4y ago> “Here’s a reality check for you with a completely different scenario but a conclusion that reaffirms my bias” It’s really a terrible argument to compare hiring for a physically intensive job to hiring for technical and administrative roles. it borders on bad faith.
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- jzellis 4y agoIt's hard to have diversity when you've got three employees left and some South African douchebag shouting at them to write code in between making coffee and fixing the air ducts.
- xqcgrek2 4y agoThe rot in Twitter was deep, it seems. Culling 70% of the workforce might not be enough.
- mlindner 4y agoInteresting that they use the term "Latinx", a term actively disliked by many Hispanic Americans. It's a white person word.