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Latam Airlines Airbus A320neo hits fire engine on runway during take-off
- zach_garwood 4y agoThis is why you always look both ways and hold hands with an adult before crossing a runway.
- barbazoo 4y agoExactly!
- puffoflogic 4y agoRight, most people need clearance from the tower but if you're More Important like those fire trucks, then that's not necessary.
- toast0 4y agoBeing more important doesn't change the laws of physics. Trains always have the right of way, then large boats, then aircraft, vehicles with flashy lights come after that. From what I've seen around me, firefighters tend to be pretty careful drivers even when running with flashy lights, but there was an unfortunate break down here. Condolences to those involved.
- Xylakant 4y agoI’m fairly certain that large boats win over trains. Their stopping distances are measured in kilometers, there no such thing as an emergency brake on water (except throwing your anchor, but that doesn’t help much in most cases either)
- jfk13 4y agoFortunately, large boats and trains aren't often competing for the exact same place. Either it's too wet for the train, or too dry for the boat.
- zach_garwood 4y agoI'm trying to figure out how a boat and a train would even cross paths.
- kube-system 4y agoA railroad bridge
- efitz 4y agoL. Ron Hubbard’s ship, the Apollo, was struck by a train while in port. The train derailed/jumped the track, plowed through a concrete barrier and impacted the ship. Now arguably this was not a right-of-way situation; but I guess you could argue that stationary objects have right-of-way over vehicles.
- selimthegrim 4y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bayou_Canot_rail_accident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bayou_Canot_rail_accident
- kingofpandora 4y agoIt almost happened: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/02/825897966/train-engineer-says-he-crashed-in-attempt-to-attack-navy-hospital-ship-in-l-a https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
- toast0 4y agoFreight trains have stopping distances measured in kilometers too. Even with lots of brakes. Passenger trains can stop shorter, but not that much. Light rail, subways, and some commuter rail is a lot less massive and can stop relatively quickly of course. But, large boats can turn if the channel allows and trains can't, and boating tradition is clear that vessels restrictred in their maneuverability have priority, so trains win. ;p
- kube-system 4y agoI think the above comment was sarcasm. All vehicles on the ground need clearance to enter a runway.
- Symbiote 4y agohttps://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/59446/do-any-airports-have-runways-or-taxiways-that-cross-active-rail-lines-at-grade https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/59446/do-any-ai... There are roughly four airports with railways crossing the runway, although three of them seem out of use. (I'd guess the train takes priority in normal use, as the schedule is probably less flexible, but given notice of an emergency the train could be asked to stop.)
- throwaheyy 4y agoThere is at least one occurrence of a collision between a plane and a train crossing the runway: https://spiritsofansett.com/history/train.html https://spiritsofansett.com/history/train.html
- 1letterunixname 4y agoGibraltar airport road crossing is worth mentioning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B8LEjK6UN4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B8LEjK6UN4
- abstrusemoose 4y agoNot true. They still definitely require clearance. -A320 Captain
- cozzyd 4y agoyou're kidding, but at the South Pole, you have to cross a skiway when walking from station to some of the experiment buildings. (There is a flashing beacon during airplane operations, but still, it's better to look...)
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoWow, amazing this wasn't worse. Curious to know why the fire trucks were on the live runway, and where the breakdown happened.
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- f1shy 4y agoIt was literally milliseconds away from a massive catastrophe.
- jvm___ 4y agoThere was a security camera video, the firetruck and the plane were both in motion, the plane was almost at takeoff speed and the firetruck was driving and drove into the path of the wing of the plane. The truck was only a wing length away from driving into the path of the body of the aircraft.
- hn_throwaway_99 4y agoYes, I saw the video, but obviously the fire truck never should have been on a live runway. Even if there weren't a catastrophic collision, these kinds of incursions of vehicles onto a live runway would be considered a major issue and result in serious safety reviews, etc. to determine what went wrong - again, even if there were no collision whatsoever.
- rdtwo 4y agoOh wow crazy. Fire blankets in the belly save the day. You can see them in the remains of the aft fuselage.
- bdavis__ 4y agoAviation safety is incredible. "Events" happen. But all the people got out. This works due to regulation, training, and an honest evaluation of every incident that forces changes in the system.
- chrisseaton 4y ago> But all the people got out. Two people died.
- CrazyStat 4y agoPeople in the truck died, not people in the plane.
- Macha 4y agoNote that while all passengers and crew onboard the aircraft survived, there were two fatalities among the fire engine crew
- dmckeon 4y agoSurvived, yes, but > The flight carried 102 passengers, 36 of them got injured of which 4 seriously injured.
- ck2 4y agoUntil the next 737 Max https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Grounding_and_recertification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_MAX#Grounding_and_r...
- oldstrangers 4y agoUntil the next company commits fraud to skirt regulations, yes.
- anderber 4y agoEasy to do when there's no oversight and the company "regulates" itself.
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- Sakos 4y agohttps://avherald.com/h?article=5013c619&opt=0 https://avherald.com/h?article=5013c619&opt=0 More detail > An ATC report states in writing that the rescue vehicle entered runway 16 from the west at the height of taxiway B without authorization and collided with flight LA-2213.
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- this_steve_j 4y agoThis accident is reminiscent of Singapore airlines Flight 006. The 747-412 took off on an inactive runway during a typhoon and crashed into a vehicle, killing 83 of 179 onboard. An initial investigation placed blame heavily on the flight crew, but other factors emerged in later reports. There was construction equipment on an adjacent parallel closed runway. Along with the taxiway, it was fully illuminated with no barriers. The signs and markings were deficient and not readable in a typhoon at night. The 747 was cleared for takeoff and crashed into a parked vehicle they could not see until V1. When the final 30 minutes are played backward from mass casualties, the aircrew appears criminally negligent. But a 2 year investigation revealed an incredibly subtle drift into failure of the safety envelope. A lack of ground radar, schedule pressure, and split second decisions contributed to a near certainty of tragedy at the sharp end. Unlike with road deaths, these tragedies lead to safety improvements all over the world. We will all be a little safer because the victims paid with their lives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Airlines_Flight_006 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singapore_Airlines_Flight_006
- jagger27 4y agoI’m looking forward to Mentour Pilot’s breakdown of this on YouTube in a few weeks. It seems like the crew on the plane did a fantastic job.
- gus_massa 4y agoI'm not sure why this was downvoted. The Mentour Pilot channel has a dozen of videos about old accidents, and he explains very well the causes with an extra insight because he is a pilot.
- jagger27 4y agoThey’re very well produced without the over the top drama of that old Discovery show Mayday.
- Graziano_M 4y agoI was in the air in-bound to Lima when this happened. I guess LIM only has one runway, and it's closed down until at least tomorrow, so that's about 36 hours of that whole airport being closed. Lots of cascading delays. Hoping I can get in tomorrow.
- rodcodes 4y agoAs an Air Traffic Controller that worked in a third world country, I would be concerned around the two glaring holes. 1. Did the emergency services vehicles not know what Runway is in use and check out the left as they approached. They would've clearly seen the massive aircraft on short finals. 2. The Air Traffic Controller is responsible for the safe separation and operation of aircraft on the manoeuvring area, except for the ramp. But it seems that both the ATC, the pilots in the aircraft and the driver themselves. During busy non-standard Ops - I would keep as much distance between them as possible to ensure It's a 15+ ton vehicle - it doesn't just jump out in front of you.
- 1letterunixname 4y agoBetter picture of the damage and fire: https://aeropeep.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/3.jpg https://aeropeep.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/3.jpg