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> Plenty of jobs out there Do you know that? That there are plenty of jobs out there for the laid-off people? or just, you know, making shit up.

culopatin 4y ago
It only takes a search to see that there are jobs available. They don’t name them “jobs for the ex Twitter” though, so maybe that is what you’re asking.
gregjor 4y ago
I know that about as well as I know anything. I have 40+ years in the software industry and I have never seen an actual shortage of jobs available. I have seen the number of fun, cool, sexy, ridiculously high-paying jobs expand and contract. Right now, in this climate, I personally know about multiple small companies who can't recruit or hire programmers, openings infilled for a year or more for lack of candidates. The numbers I could easily find back this up: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... https://www.computerworld.com/article/3542681/how-many-jobs-are-available-in-technology.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3542681/how-many-jobs-... The FAANG (or whatever we call it now) companies and startups represent the tip of the iceberg, the most attractive segment of programming and tech jobs. Those companies also have the most candidates to choose from, the most grueling interview process, and seem to have the most churn and turnover when economic conditions change. A job at Twitter or Meta probably pays a lot more and offers more perks and prestige than a job at a regional trucking company or retail chain, sure. Downturns like this always hit the younger and less-experienced cohort of tech workers hardest. People fresh out of school with no experience will struggle. People with narrow skills, short experience at one company, or an exaggerated opinion of their actual value, will struggle. While the FAANG/startup companies that get attention on HN can optimize their hiring around leetcode and whiteboard trials, the rest of the tech world tends to value experience and fitting in with a team. If you can only produce from an Aeron chair writing Clojure and shunning meetings then you will find the job market limited. As companies tighten up and lay off and focus on profits and retention programmers who want to get a paycheck have to adjust their expectations. A truck driver who will only drive a customized red Peterbilt 359 on one interstate route will similarly find their options limited, even in a market with plentiful jobs for truck drivers.
- anon50118810 4y ago
  My recent discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33596779 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33596779 was intended to push back on this sort of rosy outlook. I suspect companies that struggle to hire have basic issues like a complicated or invasive application process, niche skillsets, an out of the way location with no possibility of remote work, or low pay. To be clear I don't mean low pay as in lower than FAANG, but pay so low that you have to wonder if the job is either abusive or something like IT help desk, not software development. If these regional trucking companies and retail chains were serious about hiring, we'd see posts to HN, Reddit, LinkedIn, and everywhere else like: "I'm the hiring manager at a regional trucking company/retail chain. We've been struggling to hire developers for over a year. If you have over two years experience as a developer in any capacity, email me your resume and I guarantee you a 30 minute phone interview. Pay is a little low but we take care of our employees. We're not used to remote workers but we will make it work for the right person." Have you seen posts like that? If not, why do you think that is? How are these companies trying to find employees?
xenospn 4y ago
In talks with multiple companies looking to hire me at the moment - can confirm there’s plenty of jobs to go around.

culopatin 4y ago

It only takes a search to see that there are jobs available. They don’t name them “jobs for the ex Twitter” though, so maybe that is what you’re asking.

gregjor 4y ago

I know that about as well as I know anything. I have 40+ years in the software industry and I have never seen an actual shortage of jobs available. I have seen the number of fun, cool, sexy, ridiculously high-paying jobs expand and contract. Right now, in this climate, I personally know about multiple small companies who can't recruit or hire programmers, openings infilled for a year or more for lack of candidates. The numbers I could easily find back this up: https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/software-developers.htm https://www.bls.gov/ooh/computer-and-information-technology/... https://www.computerworld.com/article/3542681/how-many-jobs-are-available-in-technology.html https://www.computerworld.com/article/3542681/how-many-jobs-... The FAANG (or whatever we call it now) companies and startups represent the tip of the iceberg, the most attractive segment of programming and tech jobs. Those companies also have the most candidates to choose from, the most grueling interview process, and seem to have the most churn and turnover when economic conditions change. A job at Twitter or Meta probably pays a lot more and offers more perks and prestige than a job at a regional trucking company or retail chain, sure. Downturns like this always hit the younger and less-experienced cohort of tech workers hardest. People fresh out of school with no experience will struggle. People with narrow skills, short experience at one company, or an exaggerated opinion of their actual value, will struggle. While the FAANG/startup companies that get attention on HN can optimize their hiring around leetcode and whiteboard trials, the rest of the tech world tends to value experience and fitting in with a team. If you can only produce from an Aeron chair writing Clojure and shunning meetings then you will find the job market limited. As companies tighten up and lay off and focus on profits and retention programmers who want to get a paycheck have to adjust their expectations. A truck driver who will only drive a customized red Peterbilt 359 on one interstate route will similarly find their options limited, even in a market with plentiful jobs for truck drivers.

anon50118810 4y ago
My recent discussion https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33596779 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33596779 was intended to push back on this sort of rosy outlook. I suspect companies that struggle to hire have basic issues like a complicated or invasive application process, niche skillsets, an out of the way location with no possibility of remote work, or low pay. To be clear I don't mean low pay as in lower than FAANG, but pay so low that you have to wonder if the job is either abusive or something like IT help desk, not software development. If these regional trucking companies and retail chains were serious about hiring, we'd see posts to HN, Reddit, LinkedIn, and everywhere else like: "I'm the hiring manager at a regional trucking company/retail chain. We've been struggling to hire developers for over a year. If you have over two years experience as a developer in any capacity, email me your resume and I guarantee you a 30 minute phone interview. Pay is a little low but we take care of our employees. We're not used to remote workers but we will make it work for the right person." Have you seen posts like that? If not, why do you think that is? How are these companies trying to find employees?

xenospn 4y ago

In talks with multiple companies looking to hire me at the moment - can confirm there’s plenty of jobs to go around.