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I love the hacker thought process of "Is there an HTML element that can hide and show content right out of the box (without js), and now can we borrow it to imp

I love the hacker thought process of "Is there an HTML element that can hide and show content right out of the box (without js), and now can we borrow it to implement a completely different data structure that wasn't obviously part of its design?"

timeon 4y ago
In old days (around the time when Yahoo switched from table design to css layout) people were hacking this with :hover. But mouse had to stay in the 'opened' content.
- hakre 4y ago
  I love that :hover trick, a well placed tag in back and the mouse does not leave the "opened" (active) content that easily. There is also :focus.
  - layer8 4y ago
    Except that native menus don’t really work like that. They have a nontrivial interplay between hovering and mousedown/mouseup that you can’t replicate with just CSS. Not to speak of the missing keyboard functionality.
    - hakre 4y ago
      Native menus? When I need native menus, I use a GUI toolkit, you might have put too much of your concerns into my words. When I do "native" Menus in HTML I use lists und you can skip to navigation on top if you like but content comes first. And yes, the site works natively in a textmode browser.
pjmlp 4y ago
Versus the native GUIs approach of here is a control for doing what you want, and here is a clean architecture to design you own controls.
- mananaysiempre 4y ago
  The native GUI approach seems to struggle with extending the behaviour of stock controls, Win32 most of all. Granted, this is a very fuzzy problem that’s much more difficult than it seems (how do you shouls a CJK-style IME interact with a formatted-alphanumerics input?), and HTML+CSS doesn’t really do better, but it’s also a problem people have, and I don’t think native toolkits have a convincing approach. So I’m not ready to declare UI toolkits solved.

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I love the hacker thought process of "Is there an HTML element that can hide and show content right out of the box (without js), and now can we borrow it to imp

by decasia 4y ago

timeon 4y ago
In old days (around the time when Yahoo switched from table design to css layout) people were hacking this with :hover. But mouse had to stay in the 'opened' content.
- hakre 4y ago
  I love that :hover trick, a well placed tag in back and the mouse does not leave the "opened" (active) content that easily. There is also :focus.
  - layer8 4y ago
    Except that native menus don’t really work like that. They have a nontrivial interplay between hovering and mousedown/mouseup that you can’t replicate with just CSS. Not to speak of the missing keyboard functionality.
    - hakre 4y ago
      Native menus? When I need native menus, I use a GUI toolkit, you might have put too much of your concerns into my words. When I do "native" Menus in HTML I use lists und you can skip to navigation on top if you like but content comes first. And yes, the site works natively in a textmode browser.
pjmlp 4y ago
Versus the native GUIs approach of here is a control for doing what you want, and here is a clean architecture to design you own controls.
- mananaysiempre 4y ago
  The native GUI approach seems to struggle with extending the behaviour of stock controls, Win32 most of all. Granted, this is a very fuzzy problem that’s much more difficult than it seems (how do you shouls a CJK-style IME interact with a formatted-alphanumerics input?), and HTML+CSS doesn’t really do better, but it’s also a problem people have, and I don’t think native toolkits have a convincing approach. So I’m not ready to declare UI toolkits solved.