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I mean, sorry, but I consider that malicious. The OS can create a local account but doesn't give you that option specifically to make you create a windows Live

I mean, sorry, but I consider that malicious. The OS can create a local account but doesn't give you that option specifically to make you create a windows Live account. That is almost textbook definition of malicious for me.

thelittleone 4y ago
What's may be more surprising than their malice is your surprise at their malice. These 'dark patterns' are so numerous now it's exhausting to remain duly outraged. I hope there's a future (or alternate universe) where dark patterns, such as this, result in economic loss rather than economic gain.
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- pxc 4y ago
  They might be a Linux desktop user or a free software person in general. If you stick to F/OSS you might still live in a world where that stuff is pretty much entirely absent, experientally. Then the outrage comes in full force, as a kind of culture shock, whenever some external situation requires you to do something like set up a proprietary desktop operating system. > I hope there's a future (or alternate universe) where dark patterns, such as this, result in economic loss rather than economic gain. I agree. I wonder whether that can actually be achieved through end-user savviness alone.
justsomehnguy 4y ago
Ten years ago you needed iTunes to enable your iPhone/iPad. Sure there are probably was a way to skip most of the requirements (except iTunes itself) but around that time I helped a friend to activate an iPad. I was forced to register an Apple account AND give it a credit card to activate that iPad. You can blame MS all you want, but MS IS LATE FOR THE PARTY WITH ALL THAT SHIT.
- Wowfunhappy 4y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized.
- franga2000 4y ago
  I bought my first Apple device (an iPad) two weeks ago out of necessity and even created an Apple account in advance, assuming Apple will force me to use it. I was very surprised to find a very obvious "Skip" button that let me complete the process with no account. And just because other manufacturers do it, isn't a reason not to blame MS for what MS did. Nobody forced them to do this and it's not even common practice. The OS wasn't "built with online accounts in mind". It's something nobody asked for and everyone lived happily without before.
  - kiwijamo 4y ago
    Are you able to e.g. install apps without an apple account? I seem to recall simple things like that wasn't possible unless you had signed into an apple account.
    - DangitBobby 4y ago
      Not being able to use the app store is pretty different from not being able to setup the computer.
      - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
        Considering that on these Apple devices the Apple store is literally the only entry point for running actual programs on these devices, I would say it is indeed pretty equivalent to "not being able to setup the computer".
        gambiting 4y ago
ilyt 4y ago
> I mean, sorry, but I consider that malicious. Welcome to microsoft ecosystem

thelittleone 4y ago

What's may be more surprising than their malice is your surprise at their malice. These 'dark patterns' are so numerous now it's exhausting to remain duly outraged. I hope there's a future (or alternate universe) where dark patterns, such as this, result in economic loss rather than economic gain.

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pxc 4y ago
They might be a Linux desktop user or a free software person in general. If you stick to F/OSS you might still live in a world where that stuff is pretty much entirely absent, experientally. Then the outrage comes in full force, as a kind of culture shock, whenever some external situation requires you to do something like set up a proprietary desktop operating system. > I hope there's a future (or alternate universe) where dark patterns, such as this, result in economic loss rather than economic gain. I agree. I wonder whether that can actually be achieved through end-user savviness alone.

justsomehnguy 4y ago

Ten years ago you needed iTunes to enable your iPhone/iPad. Sure there are probably was a way to skip most of the requirements (except iTunes itself) but around that time I helped a friend to activate an iPad. I was forced to register an Apple account AND give it a credit card to activate that iPad. You can blame MS all you want, but MS IS LATE FOR THE PARTY WITH ALL THAT SHIT.

Wowfunhappy 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized.
franga2000 4y ago
I bought my first Apple device (an iPad) two weeks ago out of necessity and even created an Apple account in advance, assuming Apple will force me to use it. I was very surprised to find a very obvious "Skip" button that let me complete the process with no account. And just because other manufacturers do it, isn't a reason not to blame MS for what MS did. Nobody forced them to do this and it's not even common practice. The OS wasn't "built with online accounts in mind". It's something nobody asked for and everyone lived happily without before.
- kiwijamo 4y ago
  Are you able to e.g. install apps without an apple account? I seem to recall simple things like that wasn't possible unless you had signed into an apple account.
  - DangitBobby 4y ago
    Not being able to use the app store is pretty different from not being able to setup the computer.
    - AshamedCaptain 4y ago
      Considering that on these Apple devices the Apple store is literally the only entry point for running actual programs on these devices, I would say it is indeed pretty equivalent to "not being able to setup the computer".
      - gambiting 4y ago

ilyt 4y ago

> I mean, sorry, but I consider that malicious. Welcome to microsoft ecosystem