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UTM's lack of any accelerated graphics makes a non-starter for most desktop applications these days. It's fine as a frontend to QEMU, but that's all it is. Fusi

UTM's lack of any accelerated graphics makes a non-starter for most desktop applications these days. It's fine as a frontend to QEMU, but that's all it is. Fusion and Parallels will continue to dominate this space on MacOS.

maxmouchet 4y ago
They do but it's experimental and only for Linux guests: https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4 https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4
- irusensei 4y ago
  Unironically the best experience for Linux in my case is no graphics adapter but instead a serial console. You can copy and paste text from the vm console window without any additions!
- bogantech 4y ago
  Fingers crossed that it eventually works but for me it invariably results in a crash or graphical corruption making my VM unusable regardless of the distro (have tried Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian etc)
Rimintil 4y ago
With Fusion 13, I see no way of creating a macOS guest VM. It isn't in the VM options list. UTM will automagically connect to Apple's servers and download the latest version. Problem with UTM is there is no copy/paste or file transfer between a macOS host and guest which is a huge barrier. I'm spoiled by Hyper-V enhanced sessions, I suppose.
- mrpippy 4y ago
  Fusion only supports MacOS VMs on Intel, are you on Apple Silicon?
  - Rimintil 4y ago
    Yes, an M2.
- Marsymars 4y ago
  > Problem with UTM is there is no copy/paste or file transfer between a macOS host and guest which is a huge barrier. What if you connect to the UTM guest via RDP or or Apple Remote Desktop if it’s a Windows/macOS guest, respectively?
  - Rimintil 4y ago
    ARD works great via Safari (vnc://machine-name.tld). Thank you! I can't believe Apple charges $80 for the ARD client in the App Store...
    - novok 4y ago
      It lets you do things like run a zsh command over 300 mac machines at once, it's not just a simple VNC client.
dtgriscom 4y ago
Why is accelerated graphics mandatory? I'd think most non-gaming, non-graphics-heavy apps would do fine with the CPU.
- skydhash 4y ago
  Most desktop nowadays have a compositor that rely on the gpu to render nice effects like blur, transparency, animations (including keeping the content of the window while dragging).
- neurostimulant 4y ago
  Electron apps (and other apps that uses Chromium Embedded Framework) are commonplace these days and they requires GPU acceleration. They'll crash if launched on system without gpu acceleration. Sure you can pass a command line argument to disable gpu acceleration to those apps (e.g. `--disable-gpu` on most electron apps and `--no-zygote` on apps that use chrome embedded framework like spotify), but you can't expect average users to know how to do that.
novok 4y ago
Accelerated graphics was painful when doing macOS on macOS until macOS 13. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets added now in the future with virutalization.framework if they haven't done so already.

maxmouchet 4y ago

They do but it's experimental and only for Linux guests: https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4 https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4

irusensei 4y ago
Unironically the best experience for Linux in my case is no graphics adapter but instead a serial console. You can copy and paste text from the vm console window without any additions!
bogantech 4y ago
Fingers crossed that it eventually works but for me it invariably results in a crash or graphical corruption making my VM unusable regardless of the distro (have tried Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian etc)

Rimintil 4y ago

With Fusion 13, I see no way of creating a macOS guest VM. It isn't in the VM options list. UTM will automagically connect to Apple's servers and download the latest version. Problem with UTM is there is no copy/paste or file transfer between a macOS host and guest which is a huge barrier. I'm spoiled by Hyper-V enhanced sessions, I suppose.

mrpippy 4y ago
Fusion only supports MacOS VMs on Intel, are you on Apple Silicon?
- Rimintil 4y ago
  Yes, an M2.
Marsymars 4y ago
> Problem with UTM is there is no copy/paste or file transfer between a macOS host and guest which is a huge barrier. What if you connect to the UTM guest via RDP or or Apple Remote Desktop if it’s a Windows/macOS guest, respectively?
- Rimintil 4y ago
  ARD works great via Safari (vnc://machine-name.tld). Thank you! I can't believe Apple charges $80 for the ARD client in the App Store...
  - novok 4y ago
    It lets you do things like run a zsh command over 300 mac machines at once, it's not just a simple VNC client.

dtgriscom 4y ago

Why is accelerated graphics mandatory? I'd think most non-gaming, non-graphics-heavy apps would do fine with the CPU.

skydhash 4y ago
Most desktop nowadays have a compositor that rely on the gpu to render nice effects like blur, transparency, animations (including keeping the content of the window while dragging).
neurostimulant 4y ago
Electron apps (and other apps that uses Chromium Embedded Framework) are commonplace these days and they requires GPU acceleration. They'll crash if launched on system without gpu acceleration. Sure you can pass a command line argument to disable gpu acceleration to those apps (e.g. `--disable-gpu` on most electron apps and `--no-zygote` on apps that use chrome embedded framework like spotify), but you can't expect average users to know how to do that.

novok 4y ago

Accelerated graphics was painful when doing macOS on macOS until macOS 13. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets added now in the future with virutalization.framework if they haven't done so already.