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Java 7 Update 2 now with JavaFX

28 points by Mitt 15y ago

Chico75 15y ago
People will not start using it just because it's included in the updates...
- RShackleford 15y ago
  i dont agree, i will use it.
seltzered_ 15y ago
Only took them so long. I ended up just caving and using WPF for my last project despite it's flaws. I could've used QT, but wanted good tools to design views since I can't afford to hire too many folks. I couldn't bring myself to use swing. I somewhat regret not using HTML5+appcelerator, but that was inviting a debugging can of worms. I didn't realize javafx 2.0 is only supported on windows right now. Look forward to it progressing.
tonetheman 15y ago
yeah piss poor idea really... force a dead product on people in hopes they might use it.
- Mitt 15y ago
  I think it even is not a dead product, but a very usefull one. Being able to develop the UI in any JVM language of my choice is amazing. JavaFX is not for scrolling texts on web sites, or gradients, or anything for websites. It can run inside websites, which is great. But there are tons of business applications which we don’t want to implement as a web application.
melling 15y ago
Oracle is a pretty focused company. If they don't see a use for something, they'll cut it. The fact that they are shipping JavaFX and didn't cut it means it has a strong future for them and they will continue to improve it.
- carey 15y ago
  What they cut here was JavaFX Script, in favour of a Java API that can be used from any of the JVM languages. As http://java.dzone.com/articles/oracle-discontinue-javafx http://java.dzone.com/articles/oracle-discontinue-javafx points out, this makes it more like Apache Pivot.
Zigurd 15y ago
Which do you think is likelier: A. Java FX is the Java UI technology that makes cross-platform - including mobile platforms - client Java relevant and attracts a significant number of developers? B. Android compatibility becomes available for non-Android OSs and Android becomes the de facto portable client Java. Or put it in terms of scenarios: Google settles the Oracle suit and ships Java 7 and JavaFX compatibility in Android and significant numbers of developers use this to deliver multi-platform Java apps. Or: multiple vendors offer Windows desktop Android virtualization or JavaSE-like implementations of the Android runtime, and these are used to move tablet apps to desktops.
- rbanffy 15y ago
  If I read the system requirements correctly, JavaFX requires Windows.
  - tommi 15y ago
    "JavaFX 2.0 is currently available on 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7. A developer preview of JavaFX 2.0 for Mac OS X is available for download on the Oracle Technology Network. It is expected to reach General Availability in the first half of 2012. The Linux version of JavaFX 2.0 will follow, with a General Availability expected in the second half of 2012. JavaFX supports both Java SE 6 and Java SE 7 on Windows, and are expected to support these versions of Java SE on Mac OS X and Linux. For a detailed list of system requirements, see the JavaFX 2.0 Supported System Configurations." http://javafx.com/faq/#3 http://javafx.com/faq/#3
    - rbanffy 15y ago
      Thanks. Has Oracle announced a timeframe for Linux support?
  - Zigurd 15y ago
    I did see that, but I think it is a reasonable assumption that Oracle wants Java 7, and JavaFX, on platforms other than Windows.

28 points by Mitt 15y ago

Chico75 15y ago

People will not start using it just because it's included in the updates...

RShackleford 15y ago
i dont agree, i will use it.

seltzered_ 15y ago

Only took them so long. I ended up just caving and using WPF for my last project despite it's flaws. I could've used QT, but wanted good tools to design views since I can't afford to hire too many folks. I couldn't bring myself to use swing. I somewhat regret not using HTML5+appcelerator, but that was inviting a debugging can of worms. I didn't realize javafx 2.0 is only supported on windows right now. Look forward to it progressing.

tonetheman 15y ago

yeah piss poor idea really... force a dead product on people in hopes they might use it.

Mitt 15y ago
I think it even is not a dead product, but a very usefull one. Being able to develop the UI in any JVM language of my choice is amazing. JavaFX is not for scrolling texts on web sites, or gradients, or anything for websites. It can run inside websites, which is great. But there are tons of business applications which we don’t want to implement as a web application.

melling 15y ago

Oracle is a pretty focused company. If they don't see a use for something, they'll cut it. The fact that they are shipping JavaFX and didn't cut it means it has a strong future for them and they will continue to improve it.

carey 15y ago
What they cut here was JavaFX Script, in favour of a Java API that can be used from any of the JVM languages. As http://java.dzone.com/articles/oracle-discontinue-javafx http://java.dzone.com/articles/oracle-discontinue-javafx points out, this makes it more like Apache Pivot.

Zigurd 15y ago

Which do you think is likelier: A. Java FX is the Java UI technology that makes cross-platform - including mobile platforms - client Java relevant and attracts a significant number of developers? B. Android compatibility becomes available for non-Android OSs and Android becomes the de facto portable client Java. Or put it in terms of scenarios: Google settles the Oracle suit and ships Java 7 and JavaFX compatibility in Android and significant numbers of developers use this to deliver multi-platform Java apps. Or: multiple vendors offer Windows desktop Android virtualization or JavaSE-like implementations of the Android runtime, and these are used to move tablet apps to desktops.

rbanffy 15y ago
If I read the system requirements correctly, JavaFX requires Windows.
- tommi 15y ago
  "JavaFX 2.0 is currently available on 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Microsoft Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Windows 7. A developer preview of JavaFX 2.0 for Mac OS X is available for download on the Oracle Technology Network. It is expected to reach General Availability in the first half of 2012. The Linux version of JavaFX 2.0 will follow, with a General Availability expected in the second half of 2012. JavaFX supports both Java SE 6 and Java SE 7 on Windows, and are expected to support these versions of Java SE on Mac OS X and Linux. For a detailed list of system requirements, see the JavaFX 2.0 Supported System Configurations." http://javafx.com/faq/#3 http://javafx.com/faq/#3
  - rbanffy 15y ago
    Thanks. Has Oracle announced a timeframe for Linux support?
- Zigurd 15y ago
  I did see that, but I think it is a reasonable assumption that Oracle wants Java 7, and JavaFX, on platforms other than Windows.