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The UTM experience (https://mac.getutm.app/ https://mac.getutm.app/) has been stellar for me. Knowing that others have commented on this being a rough initial r

The UTM experience (https://mac.getutm.app/ https://mac.getutm.app/) has been stellar for me. Knowing that others have commented on this being a rough initial release, I really have no reason to try it out. And while UTM was relatively unknown a year ago, it's become quite popular in my circle of Apple Silicon users, so I imagine VMWare's reception on Apple Silicon is going to be lukewarm at best.

EVADKN 4y ago
never managed to run win11 so I gave up
- jedisct1 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opNMFY497o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opNMFY497o Windows 11 runs beautifully on UTM.
rattray 4y ago
Can it be used with docker for Mac, or some competitor?
- speedgoose 4y ago
  You probably would prefer colima to get an easy VM for docker/kubernetes using qemu in the background.
  - rattray 4y ago
    Nice, thank you! This does look promising. https://www.arthurkoziel.com/replacing-docker-desktop-for-mac-with-colima/ https://www.arthurkoziel.com/replacing-docker-desktop-for-ma... According to this article, file sharing between the container and the host is about 80% faster in Colima than Docker Desktop for Mac, but still much slower than native: # Docker Desktop for Mac IOPS: 1545 Bandwidth: 6.3MB/s # Colima IOPS: 2786 Bandwidth: 11.4MB/s # Native IOPS: 28.6k Bandwidth: 117MB/s Colima doesn't have all the annoying popups, telemetry, and other commercial aspects that turn off many developers from Docker Desktop for Mac. It sounds like a drop-in replacement otherwise. Terrific! I'll still try to keep as much development native as possible for now, but if it ever gets to be a real pain I'll give Colima a try before mixing docker entirely.
mgiampapa 4y ago
UTM's lack of any accelerated graphics makes a non-starter for most desktop applications these days. It's fine as a frontend to QEMU, but that's all it is. Fusion and Parallels will continue to dominate this space on MacOS.
- maxmouchet 4y ago
  They do but it's experimental and only for Linux guests: https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4 https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4
  - irusensei 4y ago
    Unironically the best experience for Linux in my case is no graphics adapter but instead a serial console. You can copy and paste text from the vm console window without any additions!
  - bogantech 4y ago
    Fingers crossed that it eventually works but for me it invariably results in a crash or graphical corruption making my VM unusable regardless of the distro (have tried Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian etc)
- Rimintil 4y ago
  With Fusion 13, I see no way of creating a macOS guest VM. It isn't in the VM options list. UTM will automagically connect to Apple's servers and download the latest version. Problem with UTM is there is no copy/paste or file transfer between a macOS host and guest which is a huge barrier. I'm spoiled by Hyper-V enhanced sessions, I suppose.
  - mrpippy 4y ago
    Fusion only supports MacOS VMs on Intel, are you on Apple Silicon?
    - Rimintil 4y ago
mk_stjames 4y ago
I just got Windows 7 running on an M1 Macbook Pro with UTM today actually. It took a bit of configuring but I am getting pretty amazing performance considering it's having to do a full ISA emulation (not using Rosetta.. QEMU can use Rosetta to translate for Linux ELF's in Linux VM's but it doesn't seem like it can do so under an x86 Windows VM). I have one legacy Windows application that I need sometimes randomly when traveling and this is amazing that it runs as well as it does- it is a program using OpenGL and the performance is useable for basic tasks and I am just using a the default VGA card emulation, I haven't even setup any advanced GPU card emulation yet. I'm blown away.
- zamadatix 4y ago
  If you Crossover works for your app you can pipe x86 32 but apps through Rosetta 2 and Crossover will bridge the GPU stuff to an actual GPU. This is a lifesaver for me on 1 ancient app I have to use for work.

EVADKN 4y ago

never managed to run win11 so I gave up

jedisct1 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opNMFY497o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opNMFY497o Windows 11 runs beautifully on UTM.

rattray 4y ago

Can it be used with docker for Mac, or some competitor?

speedgoose 4y ago
You probably would prefer colima to get an easy VM for docker/kubernetes using qemu in the background.
- rattray 4y ago
  Nice, thank you! This does look promising. https://www.arthurkoziel.com/replacing-docker-desktop-for-mac-with-colima/ https://www.arthurkoziel.com/replacing-docker-desktop-for-ma... According to this article, file sharing between the container and the host is about 80% faster in Colima than Docker Desktop for Mac, but still much slower than native: # Docker Desktop for Mac IOPS: 1545 Bandwidth: 6.3MB/s # Colima IOPS: 2786 Bandwidth: 11.4MB/s # Native IOPS: 28.6k Bandwidth: 117MB/s Colima doesn't have all the annoying popups, telemetry, and other commercial aspects that turn off many developers from Docker Desktop for Mac. It sounds like a drop-in replacement otherwise. Terrific! I'll still try to keep as much development native as possible for now, but if it ever gets to be a real pain I'll give Colima a try before mixing docker entirely.

mgiampapa 4y ago

UTM's lack of any accelerated graphics makes a non-starter for most desktop applications these days. It's fine as a frontend to QEMU, but that's all it is. Fusion and Parallels will continue to dominate this space on MacOS.

maxmouchet 4y ago
They do but it's experimental and only for Linux guests: https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4 https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/releases/tag/v2.2.4
- irusensei 4y ago
  Unironically the best experience for Linux in my case is no graphics adapter but instead a serial console. You can copy and paste text from the vm console window without any additions!
- bogantech 4y ago
  Fingers crossed that it eventually works but for me it invariably results in a crash or graphical corruption making my VM unusable regardless of the distro (have tried Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian etc)
Rimintil 4y ago
With Fusion 13, I see no way of creating a macOS guest VM. It isn't in the VM options list. UTM will automagically connect to Apple's servers and download the latest version. Problem with UTM is there is no copy/paste or file transfer between a macOS host and guest which is a huge barrier. I'm spoiled by Hyper-V enhanced sessions, I suppose.
- mrpippy 4y ago
  Fusion only supports MacOS VMs on Intel, are you on Apple Silicon?
  - Rimintil 4y ago

mk_stjames 4y ago

I just got Windows 7 running on an M1 Macbook Pro with UTM today actually. It took a bit of configuring but I am getting pretty amazing performance considering it's having to do a full ISA emulation (not using Rosetta.. QEMU can use Rosetta to translate for Linux ELF's in Linux VM's but it doesn't seem like it can do so under an x86 Windows VM). I have one legacy Windows application that I need sometimes randomly when traveling and this is amazing that it runs as well as it does- it is a program using OpenGL and the performance is useable for basic tasks and I am just using a the default VGA card emulation, I haven't even setup any advanced GPU card emulation yet. I'm blown away.

zamadatix 4y ago
If you Crossover works for your app you can pipe x86 32 but apps through Rosetta 2 and Crossover will bridge the GPU stuff to an actual GPU. This is a lifesaver for me on 1 ancient app I have to use for work.