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This is not being banned for what you say, however controversial (i.e. prevention of free speech). This is being banned for pretending someone else is saying so

by oska 4y ago

This is not being banned for what you say, however controversial (i.e. prevention of free speech). This is being banned for pretending someone else is saying something. Such bans are not a free speech issue. Fraud is fraud. (As for the joke angle, twitter has decided it's too risky to allow humour that relies on brazen impersonation. Parody accounts that are clearly indicated as such are still allowed.)

noirbot 4y ago
There's a lot of folks who clearly put "this is a parody" in every one of their "I'm Elon Musk" tweets and got banned and are still banned. He's kept redefining "clearly indicated" but only after banning people who were making fun of him. Dude's got the most fragile ego as this whole episode has demonstrated. Most of the folks getting banned for actually pretending to be someone else were either obviously a joke because they were totally silly, or were only able to look remotely real because of the idiotic $8 "you're real if you pay us" policy.
bastawhiz 4y ago
What's the difference between being prevented from lying and beyond prevented from lying about your identity? If you're going to advocate for absolute free speech, you should be ready to commit. And frankly, if this was a concern, maybe eliminating the way to tell whose account is who they say they are was a terrible business move.
- oska 4y ago
  The difference is very clear. One is saying whatever you want to say under your own public identity or under a pseudonym. The other is pretending that someone else is saying something. It's not 'lying about your identity', that's a miscasting. It's pretending someone else is saying things that they are not. Free speech does not include fraudulently pretending that other people are saying things that they have not / would not say. Claiming that Free Speech must include this is intellectually dishonest and intellectually uninteresting as an argument.

by oska 4y ago

noirbot 4y ago

There's a lot of folks who clearly put "this is a parody" in every one of their "I'm Elon Musk" tweets and got banned and are still banned. He's kept redefining "clearly indicated" but only after banning people who were making fun of him. Dude's got the most fragile ego as this whole episode has demonstrated. Most of the folks getting banned for actually pretending to be someone else were either obviously a joke because they were totally silly, or were only able to look remotely real because of the idiotic $8 "you're real if you pay us" policy.

bastawhiz 4y ago

What's the difference between being prevented from lying and beyond prevented from lying about your identity? If you're going to advocate for absolute free speech, you should be ready to commit. And frankly, if this was a concern, maybe eliminating the way to tell whose account is who they say they are was a terrible business move.

oska 4y ago
The difference is very clear. One is saying whatever you want to say under your own public identity or under a pseudonym. The other is pretending that someone else is saying something. It's not 'lying about your identity', that's a miscasting. It's pretending someone else is saying things that they are not. Free speech does not include fraudulently pretending that other people are saying things that they have not / would not say. Claiming that Free Speech must include this is intellectually dishonest and intellectually uninteresting as an argument.