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For rich and connected people convicted of white collar crimes it's very common. It's also common for upper class criminals to arrange the terms of their own wo

by Phlarp 4y ago

For rich and connected people convicted of white collar crimes it's very common. It's also common for upper class criminals to arrange the terms of their own work release-- where they are employed by a company they own and are free 12+ hours a day, only returning to custody to sleep. (Epstein did this with his first conviction) For the rest of the population without money, power or connections accused of drug crimes or petty theft it's typical that you will be arrested and placed in jail immediately and will be in custody until you are convicted / sentenced at which point you will go directly to prison.

from 4y ago
Most people who aren't allowed voluntarily surrender weren't granted bail to begin with because they were either ruled a danger to the community or they were deemed an excessive flight risk. Plenty of "low level" criminals are allowed to turn themselves in, read enough cases on https://www.courtlistener.com/pacer https://www.courtlistener.com/pacer and you'll see it's not unusual.
- Phlarp 4y ago
  Sure, and plenty of innocent people rot in jail for months before their trial because they can't afford the cash bail. That Americans are at all proud of such a system is disgusting.
  - from 4y ago
    People who defend bail just see bail as something that maximizes the likelihood the accused actually show up to court. In a high trust society it wouldn't be necessary, but we don't have that. Most people who are arrested are actually guilty of a crime which is why there is a 95% conviction rate in the federal system and ~75% across the states. Accordingly "society" has an interest in keeping the non criminal population safe and that is the origin of bail. It is unfortunate that many defendants, especially those who are already marginalized, are unable to exercise their speedy trial rights due to a combination of government incompetence, overwhelmed public defenders, and indigence but I wouldn't say anyone is proud of that.
    - Phlarp 4y ago
      Only lick the boot, don't swallow it whole.

by Phlarp 4y ago

from 4y ago

Most people who aren't allowed voluntarily surrender weren't granted bail to begin with because they were either ruled a danger to the community or they were deemed an excessive flight risk. Plenty of "low level" criminals are allowed to turn themselves in, read enough cases on https://www.courtlistener.com/pacer https://www.courtlistener.com/pacer and you'll see it's not unusual.

Phlarp 4y ago
Sure, and plenty of innocent people rot in jail for months before their trial because they can't afford the cash bail. That Americans are at all proud of such a system is disgusting.
- from 4y ago
  People who defend bail just see bail as something that maximizes the likelihood the accused actually show up to court. In a high trust society it wouldn't be necessary, but we don't have that. Most people who are arrested are actually guilty of a crime which is why there is a 95% conviction rate in the federal system and ~75% across the states. Accordingly "society" has an interest in keeping the non criminal population safe and that is the origin of bail. It is unfortunate that many defendants, especially those who are already marginalized, are unable to exercise their speedy trial rights due to a combination of government incompetence, overwhelmed public defenders, and indigence but I wouldn't say anyone is proud of that.
  - Phlarp 4y ago
    Only lick the boot, don't swallow it whole.