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I think Holmes did actual damage that equals or surpasses some of these violent acts you enumerate. Medical tests that don't work is a serious crime. There ar

I think Holmes did actual damage that equals or surpasses some of these violent acts you enumerate. Medical tests that don't work is a serious crime. There are serious consequences to, say, an HIV test that doesn't work right. And she sold that with full knowledge that it didn't work. Of course, she's being prosecuted for financial crimes and not this... I guess they got Al Capone on taxes.

dheera 4y ago
> Medical tests that don't work is a serious crime. I'm not disputing that but there's not much evidence that has come forth that someone actually got hurt as a result of Holmes's bad tests. She is in fact being prosecuted mostly for financial crimes, which frankly, don't affect me or my safety, it makes no difference to me. I'd much rather financial crimes get punished financially and every last resource of physical locking up be spent on additional hours chasing the living shit out of these people who are committing sexual assaults and racially-motivated violent hate crimes.
- asveikau 4y ago
  I don't think it sank in for you. They had HIV tests that don't work. https://www.google.com/search?q=theranos+hiv https://www.google.com/search?q=theranos+hiv That is a matter of life and death. False negative? You put your survival at risk and can unknowingly spread a deadly virus to others, causing harm not just to you but others. False positive? You go on medications with very, very serious side effects on the theory that it will kill you to not do so. Either outcome is horrible violence to innocent lives; if you "test" a thousand people this way you probably already did more violence than the guy who shoves one person on the subway as an isolated incident. Holmes knew the tech didn't work and continued to allow it to be used.
- savryn 4y ago
  but you see, the rich need those animal-monster-archetypes to put fear and disgust into working people also, if you want to understand power, you've got to take off your engineering hat and start thinking in psycho-social fairy tale logic. (p.s. the concept of anarcho-tyranny is the best thing i've heard from the peter thiel types) Remember the brown bodega owner that fought back against the black attacker trying to murder him, and was still arrested? and how deeply unfair that felt, making protecting yourself a crime? someone on twitter had an incredible comment that summed up his ideological sin in stabbing the criminal: "he killed the king's deer" you'll understand the world much better if you stop willing it to be fair (this is a need of our inner child) and just observe how it works first, like an alien anthropologist... but just like talking about a dream you had, it won't be polite or even possible to explain or discuss what you see with others, sadly

dheera 4y ago

> Medical tests that don't work is a serious crime. I'm not disputing that but there's not much evidence that has come forth that someone actually got hurt as a result of Holmes's bad tests. She is in fact being prosecuted mostly for financial crimes, which frankly, don't affect me or my safety, it makes no difference to me. I'd much rather financial crimes get punished financially and every last resource of physical locking up be spent on additional hours chasing the living shit out of these people who are committing sexual assaults and racially-motivated violent hate crimes.

asveikau 4y ago
I don't think it sank in for you. They had HIV tests that don't work. https://www.google.com/search?q=theranos+hiv https://www.google.com/search?q=theranos+hiv That is a matter of life and death. False negative? You put your survival at risk and can unknowingly spread a deadly virus to others, causing harm not just to you but others. False positive? You go on medications with very, very serious side effects on the theory that it will kill you to not do so. Either outcome is horrible violence to innocent lives; if you "test" a thousand people this way you probably already did more violence than the guy who shoves one person on the subway as an isolated incident. Holmes knew the tech didn't work and continued to allow it to be used.
savryn 4y ago
but you see, the rich need those animal-monster-archetypes to put fear and disgust into working people also, if you want to understand power, you've got to take off your engineering hat and start thinking in psycho-social fairy tale logic. (p.s. the concept of anarcho-tyranny is the best thing i've heard from the peter thiel types) Remember the brown bodega owner that fought back against the black attacker trying to murder him, and was still arrested? and how deeply unfair that felt, making protecting yourself a crime? someone on twitter had an incredible comment that summed up his ideological sin in stabbing the criminal: "he killed the king's deer" you'll understand the world much better if you stop willing it to be fair (this is a need of our inner child) and just observe how it works first, like an alien anthropologist... but just like talking about a dream you had, it won't be polite or even possible to explain or discuss what you see with others, sadly