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The possession charges are part of a concerted effort beginning in the 1980s "war on drugs" to provide reliable income for the budding private prison industry.

by z9znz 4y ago

The possession charges are part of a concerted effort beginning in the 1980s "war on drugs" to provide reliable income for the budding private prison industry. It was a hugely successful campaign that has done irreperable damage to the US at the individual level as well as the broad public/financial level. Poor people cannot afford to defend themselves, so they make easy targets for incarceration. Wealthy or connected people take much more time and effort to imprison, so the risk vs reward for prosecutors is just not worth it in most cases. You have to _really_ piss off or embarrass a lot of powerful people to get taken down like this current case.

gruez 4y ago
>The possession charges are part of a concerted effort beginning in the 1980s "war on drugs" to provide reliable income for the budding private prison industry. Source? I checked wikipedia and it suggests that it was the other way around. The article on war on drugs also doesn't show much developments around the 80s. Most of the changes were in the 70s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#Development_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#Development_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#20th_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#20th_century
- TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
  > The article on war on drugs also doesn't show much developments around the 80s I can’t speak to the private prison stuff, but having grown up in the 80s in the US, I can tell you that the Wikipedia article is not complete for the 80s. There was an enormous anti drug push at the time, culminating in 1989. It was everywhere in the culture that I experienced. Maybe a backlash to the popularity of cocaine at the time, I don’t know. We even had video games displaying “say no to drugs” in attract mode https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Don%27t_Use_Drugs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Don%27t_Use_Drugs
  - gruez 4y ago
    >I can’t speak to the private prison stuff, but having grown up in the 80s in the US, I can tell you that the Wikipedia article is not complete for the 80s. >There was an enormous anti drug push at the time, culminating in 1989. It was everywhere in the culture that I experienced. Maybe a backlash to the popularity of cocaine at the time, I don’t know. Maybe that's just biased by your memories? If you came of age in the 80s, you're obviously not going to remember all the anti-drug/tough on crime stuff that happened in the 70s. Note that just because that there weren't many developments in the 80s, doesn't mean that they weren't doing anti-drug programs in your school. It just means that the relevant policies were already enacted. The wikipedia article for "tough on crime" also shows a similar timeline. Crime became a political issue well before the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order
    - z9znz 4y ago
      Aside from the massive prison population growth during the Reagan years (for drug and minor offenses), it was the Just Say No campaign which was _everywhere_ during the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No As far as I know, none of the first ladies from Nixon, Ford, or Carter were on TV regularly talking about drugs. Edit - added: The Clinton years saw even greater rate of increase in prison population, and for most of the same reasons.
- squeaky-clean 4y ago
  Nothing here sounds "the other way around" except them getting the decade wrong.
  - gruez 4y ago
    Considering that they're making a casual claim (ie. A caused B), it's a huge blow if the timing was reversed (B happened before A).
- z9znz 4y ago
  https://drugpolicy.org/blog/nancy-reagans-role-disastrous-war-drugs https://drugpolicy.org/blog/nancy-reagans-role-disastrous-wa... "Reagan's presidency marked the start of a long period of skyrocketing rates of incarceration, largely thanks to his unprecedented expansion of the drug war. The number of people behind bars for nonviolent drug law violations increased from 50,000 in 1980 to more than 400,000 by 1997." Indeed the "drug war" began before the private prison industry, but it has directly and indirectly influenced drug policy to protect and expand its business. https://justicepolicy.org/research/gaming-the-system-how-the-political-strategies-of-private-prison-companies-promote-ineffective-incarceration-policies/ https://justicepolicy.org/research/gaming-the-system-how-the...

by z9znz 4y ago

gruez 4y ago

>The possession charges are part of a concerted effort beginning in the 1980s "war on drugs" to provide reliable income for the budding private prison industry. Source? I checked wikipedia and it suggests that it was the other way around. The article on war on drugs also doesn't show much developments around the 80s. Most of the changes were in the 70s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#Development_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#Development_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#20th_century https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#20th_century

TedDoesntTalk 4y ago
> The article on war on drugs also doesn't show much developments around the 80s I can’t speak to the private prison stuff, but having grown up in the 80s in the US, I can tell you that the Wikipedia article is not complete for the 80s. There was an enormous anti drug push at the time, culminating in 1989. It was everywhere in the culture that I experienced. Maybe a backlash to the popularity of cocaine at the time, I don’t know. We even had video games displaying “say no to drugs” in attract mode https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Don%27t_Use_Drugs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winners_Don%27t_Use_Drugs
- gruez 4y ago
  >I can’t speak to the private prison stuff, but having grown up in the 80s in the US, I can tell you that the Wikipedia article is not complete for the 80s. >There was an enormous anti drug push at the time, culminating in 1989. It was everywhere in the culture that I experienced. Maybe a backlash to the popularity of cocaine at the time, I don’t know. Maybe that's just biased by your memories? If you came of age in the 80s, you're obviously not going to remember all the anti-drug/tough on crime stuff that happened in the 70s. Note that just because that there weren't many developments in the 80s, doesn't mean that they weren't doing anti-drug programs in your school. It just means that the relevant policies were already enacted. The wikipedia article for "tough on crime" also shows a similar timeline. Crime became a political issue well before the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_and_order
  - z9znz 4y ago
    Aside from the massive prison population growth during the Reagan years (for drug and minor offenses), it was the Just Say No campaign which was _everywhere_ during the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No As far as I know, none of the first ladies from Nixon, Ford, or Carter were on TV regularly talking about drugs. Edit - added: The Clinton years saw even greater rate of increase in prison population, and for most of the same reasons.
squeaky-clean 4y ago
Nothing here sounds "the other way around" except them getting the decade wrong.
- gruez 4y ago
  Considering that they're making a casual claim (ie. A caused B), it's a huge blow if the timing was reversed (B happened before A).
z9znz 4y ago
https://drugpolicy.org/blog/nancy-reagans-role-disastrous-war-drugs https://drugpolicy.org/blog/nancy-reagans-role-disastrous-wa... "Reagan's presidency marked the start of a long period of skyrocketing rates of incarceration, largely thanks to his unprecedented expansion of the drug war. The number of people behind bars for nonviolent drug law violations increased from 50,000 in 1980 to more than 400,000 by 1997." Indeed the "drug war" began before the private prison industry, but it has directly and indirectly influenced drug policy to protect and expand its business. https://justicepolicy.org/research/gaming-the-system-how-the-political-strategies-of-private-prison-companies-promote-ineffective-incarceration-policies/ https://justicepolicy.org/research/gaming-the-system-how-the...