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Brits are paying the highest electricity bills in the world

llampx 4y ago
Here it says Germans are paying 13.58 c/kWh. I was under the impression that most Germans are paying >30 c/kWh. Source below. Makes me question the rest of the article. https://www.vattenfall.de/stromtarife?plz=10117&consumption=2500&place=Berlin&energyTypeSelected=electricity https://www.vattenfall.de/stromtarife?plz=10117&consumption=... I see the cheapest price as 33.12 c/kWh.
- iudqnolq 4y ago
  I don't see the number 33.12 on that page. While I can't read German I think that page is estimating the cost to a two-person household in Berlin, and it also seems to various include promotional offers? I don't think that's an appropriate source.
  - maverwa 4y ago
    To be hones, promotional offers are a thing and a real problem in the market. It’s usually considered (at least under my peers) that changing your energy supplier often is worth it to collect all the „new customer bonus“ offers. But it’s not like that would could your bill in half. Maybe 10%?
  - llampx 4y ago
    33.12c is the Grundversorgung (basic price) I put it here because even though I am not sure a new customer could get that price, it is still a lot more than what the article quotes as the German average price.
- maverwa 4y ago
  I am not sure what these prices represent for Germany but it’s certainly not what the average guy pays for their energy. That’s certainly above 0.30€/kWh. Last time I checked for a new supplier (earlier this year) it was not easy to find something below 0.40€/kWh. Decided to stay with my current one that’s somewhere close to 38c Maybe it’s the price on the energy market payed by the utilities? (Edit) according to this [0] even the wholesale price was at 360€/MWh [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267541/germany-monthly-wholesale-electricity-price/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267541/germany-monthly-...
amluto 4y ago
This is HN, so the Bay Area must not be in the world. Here’s the PG&E incentive rate for EV charging: https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHEDS_EV2%20(Sch).pdf https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHED... 24.699 cents/kWh off-peak On the standard residential rates, the lowest possible price is 28 cents / kWh. The electric regulation here is a near complete failure IMO. The best that can be said is that the lights mostly stay on in more urban areas.
- throwaway22032 4y ago
  The data here is some sort of long term average over five years. Current variable rates in the UK are over 30p/kWh.
- acchow 4y ago
  The article is about the entire country of the UK. I'm sure you can find individual cities within the UK that have much higher electricity prices than the country's overall average.
throwaway22032 4y ago
The data here is some sort of long term average over five years. Super misleading because it's all skyrocketed in the last year. I want to say that I was on maybe 12-15p/kWh in 2020 and now it's 36.
rcarr 4y ago
It is absolutely insane that Australia is number six on that list. The entire country could run off solar power easily, it should have some of the cheapest electricity in the world. Complete failure of political leadership, I hope this new government fixes things.
thebruce87m 4y ago
I live in Scotland. Here’s my numbers for a detached 3 bedroom property. My wife works from home 2 days / week and we have one school age child. Usage: * 16,675 kWh / year Gas * 5,653 kWh / year Electricity My direct debit is currently set at £348 / month to cover this. I also get £66 / month paid directly into my bank as part of the Energy Bills Support Scheme[1] [1] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/getting-the-energy-bills-support-scheme-discount https://www.gov.uk/guidance/getting-the-energy-bills-support... I have recently bought a Drayton (Schneider) smart heating system with individual room temperature control via TRVs to hopefully bring down costs a bit.

Here it says Germans are paying 13.58 c/kWh. I was under the impression that most Germans are paying >30 c/kWh. Source below. Makes me question the rest of the article. https://www.vattenfall.de/stromtarife?plz=10117&consumption=2500&place=Berlin&energyTypeSelected=electricity https://www.vattenfall.de/stromtarife?plz=10117&consumption=... I see the cheapest price as 33.12 c/kWh.

iudqnolq 4y ago
I don't see the number 33.12 on that page. While I can't read German I think that page is estimating the cost to a two-person household in Berlin, and it also seems to various include promotional offers? I don't think that's an appropriate source.
- maverwa 4y ago
  To be hones, promotional offers are a thing and a real problem in the market. It’s usually considered (at least under my peers) that changing your energy supplier often is worth it to collect all the „new customer bonus“ offers. But it’s not like that would could your bill in half. Maybe 10%?
- llampx 4y ago
  33.12c is the Grundversorgung (basic price) I put it here because even though I am not sure a new customer could get that price, it is still a lot more than what the article quotes as the German average price.
maverwa 4y ago
I am not sure what these prices represent for Germany but it’s certainly not what the average guy pays for their energy. That’s certainly above 0.30€/kWh. Last time I checked for a new supplier (earlier this year) it was not easy to find something below 0.40€/kWh. Decided to stay with my current one that’s somewhere close to 38c Maybe it’s the price on the energy market payed by the utilities? (Edit) according to this [0] even the wholesale price was at 360€/MWh [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267541/germany-monthly-wholesale-electricity-price/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1267541/germany-monthly-...

amluto 4y ago

This is HN, so the Bay Area must not be in the world. Here’s the PG&E incentive rate for EV charging: https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHEDS_EV2%20(Sch).pdf https://www.pge.com/tariffs/assets/pdf/tariffbook/ELEC_SCHED... 24.699 cents/kWh off-peak On the standard residential rates, the lowest possible price is 28 cents / kWh. The electric regulation here is a near complete failure IMO. The best that can be said is that the lights mostly stay on in more urban areas.

throwaway22032 4y ago
The data here is some sort of long term average over five years. Current variable rates in the UK are over 30p/kWh.
acchow 4y ago
The article is about the entire country of the UK. I'm sure you can find individual cities within the UK that have much higher electricity prices than the country's overall average.

throwaway22032 4y ago

The data here is some sort of long term average over five years. Super misleading because it's all skyrocketed in the last year. I want to say that I was on maybe 12-15p/kWh in 2020 and now it's 36.

rcarr 4y ago

It is absolutely insane that Australia is number six on that list. The entire country could run off solar power easily, it should have some of the cheapest electricity in the world. Complete failure of political leadership, I hope this new government fixes things.

thebruce87m 4y ago

I live in Scotland. Here’s my numbers for a detached 3 bedroom property. My wife works from home 2 days / week and we have one school age child. Usage: * 16,675 kWh / year Gas * 5,653 kWh / year Electricity My direct debit is currently set at £348 / month to cover this. I also get £66 / month paid directly into my bank as part of the Energy Bills Support Scheme[1] [1] https://www.gov.uk/guidance/getting-the-energy-bills-support-scheme-discount https://www.gov.uk/guidance/getting-the-energy-bills-support... I have recently bought a Drayton (Schneider) smart heating system with individual room temperature control via TRVs to hopefully bring down costs a bit.