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It’s actually in Google’s best interest to help keep Mozilla alive. Mozilla is an innovator and helps push the envelope with technologies like Rust and WASM. Fr

It’s actually in Google’s best interest to help keep Mozilla alive. Mozilla is an innovator and helps push the envelope with technologies like Rust and WASM. Friendly competition helps prevent stagnation and encourages innovation on both sides.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago
Mozilla may have been an innovator, but the servo team was fired, and so was a security team, while the CEO's salary roared and the market share dropped further[1]. Maybe things have changed, idk. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24128865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24128865, contains all the links.
- yoasif_ 4y ago
  The Twitter post your link references has been deleted.
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/changing-world-changing-mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/changing-world-changing-... ... laying off 250 staff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24120336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24120336 https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/mozilla-cutting-250-jobs-after-coronavirus-pandemic-cuts-revenue/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/mozilla-cutting-250-jobs...
    - yoasif_ 4y ago
      From CNET: >Mozilla restructured its security functions "to better ensure the security of Mozilla and its users," Mozilla said of the cut. "Some positions were eliminated as a result of this effort, but the teams responsible for the security of the Firefox browser and Firefox services were not been impacted." Seems relevant.
- 0x6c6f6c 4y ago
  Re: Salary increase Their reasoning, whether or not you care to accept it, was that the executive level salary was nowhere near competitive in the market to hire or retain someone talented in that role.
  - plaguepilled 4y ago
    Not an argument really. The CEOs compensation was ALREADY huge and this just ballooned it. The Servo team was objectively more important than the CEO feeling fairly paid when their expectations are so warped to begin with.
- heather45879 4y ago
  To me it sounds like they reached a point where servo met their needs for R&D and to bolster Firefox. Having a team dedicated to that in the long term can certain run multi-millions—but after hitting that milestone it’s then up to the community to move it forward with some maintenance dollars on the Firefox side perhaps. Can’t speak about the CEO salary but if they can generate more revenue than the servo team I suppose that’s a potential win? Going back to main idea though: Google indirectly funded Servo and rust development by supporting a competitor. It always helps to work together :)
- kaba0 4y ago
  It was never intended to be a full replacement for the whole browser, that would be a bad decision - they incorporated the parts they planned on and that’s it.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago

Mozilla may have been an innovator, but the servo team was fired, and so was a security team, while the CEO's salary roared and the market share dropped further[1]. Maybe things have changed, idk. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24128865 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24128865, contains all the links.

yoasif_ 4y ago
The Twitter post your link references has been deleted.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/changing-world-changing-mozilla https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/changing-world-changing-... ... laying off 250 staff: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24120336 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24120336 https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/mozilla-cutting-250-jobs-after-coronavirus-pandemic-cuts-revenue/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/mozilla-cutting-250-jobs...
  - yoasif_ 4y ago
    From CNET: >Mozilla restructured its security functions "to better ensure the security of Mozilla and its users," Mozilla said of the cut. "Some positions were eliminated as a result of this effort, but the teams responsible for the security of the Firefox browser and Firefox services were not been impacted." Seems relevant.
0x6c6f6c 4y ago
Re: Salary increase Their reasoning, whether or not you care to accept it, was that the executive level salary was nowhere near competitive in the market to hire or retain someone talented in that role.
- plaguepilled 4y ago
  Not an argument really. The CEOs compensation was ALREADY huge and this just ballooned it. The Servo team was objectively more important than the CEO feeling fairly paid when their expectations are so warped to begin with.
heather45879 4y ago
To me it sounds like they reached a point where servo met their needs for R&D and to bolster Firefox. Having a team dedicated to that in the long term can certain run multi-millions—but after hitting that milestone it’s then up to the community to move it forward with some maintenance dollars on the Firefox side perhaps. Can’t speak about the CEO salary but if they can generate more revenue than the servo team I suppose that’s a potential win? Going back to main idea though: Google indirectly funded Servo and rust development by supporting a competitor. It always helps to work together :)
kaba0 4y ago
It was never intended to be a full replacement for the whole browser, that would be a bad decision - they incorporated the parts they planned on and that’s it.