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I know how crooked some of the Republicans are and some of the conspiracy shit that's going around. But, it's not like Democrats are clean, this is what is cook

I know how crooked some of the Republicans are and some of the conspiracy shit that's going around. But, it's not like Democrats are clean, this is what is cooking in the progressive circles, especially in colleges and academia: https://twitter.com/LPofDelaware/status/1583078489430798336 https://twitter.com/LPofDelaware/status/1583078489430798336 What would be helpful is if you try to, with good faith, head over to r/conservatives and see what the discussion is like. They will welcome progressives and disagreeing views. They'll upvote you. The same cannot be said about the reverse. Conservative opinions here are completely unwelcome, not even downvoted but flagged. Turn on the show-flagged filter on HN and I'd wager atleast half of them are totally legit, not rude and not bigoted. They're just offering a different perspective. Both sides are equally consumed and spineless. Republicans caved into Trumpism and the liberals caved into woke ideology. Both sides instead of rejecting extremism, adopted it and dug their heels in. We lost truth and rationality in the process. At this time in history, centrist republicans are the most rational. and...instantly downvoted. Care to please comment below? What do you disagree with what I just said here?

kenjackson 4y ago
First, I didn't downvote you (actually I can't). I think that there are fringe elements on both sides. I do think there is a legit difference though in that the mass of the conservatives hold views that are to me far worse. For example, there might be a fringe of liberals that think that women and men are the same height on average -- or think there are no physical differences. But the VAST majority believe there are differences. But I think a far higher percentage of conservatives think that homosexuality is a choice. That's a very mainstream belief I've seen -- even in my own family. I think what liberals struggle with, IMO, aligns with my values, even if the positions that arise I disagree with. For example, trans athletes. I think its unfair to women to compete against people who were born men. At the same time, I sympathize with people who really feel like they were born the wrong gender and are doing everything they can to change genders. I don't have a satisfactory solution, but I empathize with the liberal response. The conservative response doesn't even seem to recognize that trans people have any struggle at all. Centrist Republicans today might be the most rational. But they are even getting run out of the party. I never thought I'd say, "Wow, I miss George Bush".
- tently 4y ago
  > For example, trans athletes. I think its unfair to women to compete against people who were born men. At the same time, I sympathize with people who really feel like they were born the wrong gender and are doing everything they can to change genders. I don't have a satisfactory solution, but I empathize with the liberal response. The conservative response doesn't even seem to recognize that trans people have any struggle at all. There is a more balanced take than the standard conservative and liberal positions: the left-wing feminist response. With this, trans-identifying people are supported with regards to universal rights, i.e. ones that everyone should have, according to left-wing viewpoints. For example, it should not be permitted for someone to be fired from their job for revealing their transness (or for being otherwise gender non-conforming). Same for access to housing, health care, and other public services, no prejudice must be imposed. However, they should not be treated as if the opposite sex in law and policy. This is particularly important in areas where we have sex segregation for a good reason. You mentioned athletes, another example is the safeguarding of women in prisons - women's prisons should be female-only, and no males should be incarcerated there, no matter how they identify. This overall approach helps to protect gender non-conforming people (including trans-identifying), while maintaining sex-based rights, particularly those that protect women.
- themitigating 4y ago
  This reminds me of "mike pence is a hero" you know for not helping trump steal the election George Bush started a war based on the lie of WMD that resulted in a massive cost of lives and money for the US. Even base level Republicans are horrible
mustacheemperor 4y ago
>head over to r/conservatives and see what the discussion is like. They will welcome progressives and disagreeing views This is absolutely untrue. I generally do not engage in political discussion on hackernews so politics entirely aside, from a reddit content moderation standpoint this is just a falsehood. It is one of the most tightly moderated subreddits on the website and users are banned rapidly and constantly for posting dissenting views or sharing information contradicting the prevailing narrative for any given issue. Anyone who attempts the exercise you suggest will learn that right away. There are certainly subreddits on both sides of the political aisle moderated in that manner but you are just making an absolute fabrication to say /r/conservative is not, and I'm assuming that's why you were downvoted. That and because you bring this falsehood up instead of answering the direct questions the user you're replying to asked you, and it doesn't address their questions at all. For what it's worth, I didn't downvote you.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  > absolute fabrication So you're accusing me of making it up? malice? I am just stating what I've experienced for over a year of browsing and participating on r/conservative. Instead of trusting me or you, I'll just leave the link here for people to decide: https://www.reddit.com/r/conservative https://www.reddit.com/r/conservative And to add to the accusation, I've found the opposite on Reddit and HN. Stating conservative opinions are not welcomed at all. It's not even slightly off. The situation is completely lop-sided. Next time you accuse some of "absolute fabrication", consider the best interpretation of their experience.
  - kenjackson 4y ago
    What’s an example conservative opinion? That we should reduce taxes? Or that white males are the most oppressed? Or both?
  - themitigating 4y ago
    R/conservative has moderators who ban people, on Hackernews you're referring to getting downvoted which is done by users.
themitigating 4y ago
You're comparing liberal people who vote democrat to republican politicians. The people who create the laws have the power. What laws they create and their policies is what matters. They are also voted in, meaning people support their views. Anyone can just say ,"I'm a Democrat and all kittens should be killed" hell, someone could lie to make a particular side look bad. However a person who has support behind them, like a politician, pundits, etc, those people matter and define what represents a political ideology. For example Biden doesn't support defunding the police nor has that happened I believe anywhere (there might be 1 or 2 exceptions). Republicans, by that I mean politicans, on the other hand have enacted their views into law What laws have the Democrats pushed or enacted for woke ideology?

kenjackson 4y ago

First, I didn't downvote you (actually I can't). I think that there are fringe elements on both sides. I do think there is a legit difference though in that the mass of the conservatives hold views that are to me far worse. For example, there might be a fringe of liberals that think that women and men are the same height on average -- or think there are no physical differences. But the VAST majority believe there are differences. But I think a far higher percentage of conservatives think that homosexuality is a choice. That's a very mainstream belief I've seen -- even in my own family. I think what liberals struggle with, IMO, aligns with my values, even if the positions that arise I disagree with. For example, trans athletes. I think its unfair to women to compete against people who were born men. At the same time, I sympathize with people who really feel like they were born the wrong gender and are doing everything they can to change genders. I don't have a satisfactory solution, but I empathize with the liberal response. The conservative response doesn't even seem to recognize that trans people have any struggle at all. Centrist Republicans today might be the most rational. But they are even getting run out of the party. I never thought I'd say, "Wow, I miss George Bush".

tently 4y ago
> For example, trans athletes. I think its unfair to women to compete against people who were born men. At the same time, I sympathize with people who really feel like they were born the wrong gender and are doing everything they can to change genders. I don't have a satisfactory solution, but I empathize with the liberal response. The conservative response doesn't even seem to recognize that trans people have any struggle at all. There is a more balanced take than the standard conservative and liberal positions: the left-wing feminist response. With this, trans-identifying people are supported with regards to universal rights, i.e. ones that everyone should have, according to left-wing viewpoints. For example, it should not be permitted for someone to be fired from their job for revealing their transness (or for being otherwise gender non-conforming). Same for access to housing, health care, and other public services, no prejudice must be imposed. However, they should not be treated as if the opposite sex in law and policy. This is particularly important in areas where we have sex segregation for a good reason. You mentioned athletes, another example is the safeguarding of women in prisons - women's prisons should be female-only, and no males should be incarcerated there, no matter how they identify. This overall approach helps to protect gender non-conforming people (including trans-identifying), while maintaining sex-based rights, particularly those that protect women.
themitigating 4y ago
This reminds me of "mike pence is a hero" you know for not helping trump steal the election George Bush started a war based on the lie of WMD that resulted in a massive cost of lives and money for the US. Even base level Republicans are horrible

mustacheemperor 4y ago

>head over to r/conservatives and see what the discussion is like. They will welcome progressives and disagreeing views This is absolutely untrue. I generally do not engage in political discussion on hackernews so politics entirely aside, from a reddit content moderation standpoint this is just a falsehood. It is one of the most tightly moderated subreddits on the website and users are banned rapidly and constantly for posting dissenting views or sharing information contradicting the prevailing narrative for any given issue. Anyone who attempts the exercise you suggest will learn that right away. There are certainly subreddits on both sides of the political aisle moderated in that manner but you are just making an absolute fabrication to say /r/conservative is not, and I'm assuming that's why you were downvoted. That and because you bring this falsehood up instead of answering the direct questions the user you're replying to asked you, and it doesn't address their questions at all. For what it's worth, I didn't downvote you.

systemvoltage 4y ago
> absolute fabrication So you're accusing me of making it up? malice? I am just stating what I've experienced for over a year of browsing and participating on r/conservative. Instead of trusting me or you, I'll just leave the link here for people to decide: https://www.reddit.com/r/conservative https://www.reddit.com/r/conservative And to add to the accusation, I've found the opposite on Reddit and HN. Stating conservative opinions are not welcomed at all. It's not even slightly off. The situation is completely lop-sided. Next time you accuse some of "absolute fabrication", consider the best interpretation of their experience.
- kenjackson 4y ago
  What’s an example conservative opinion? That we should reduce taxes? Or that white males are the most oppressed? Or both?
- themitigating 4y ago
  R/conservative has moderators who ban people, on Hackernews you're referring to getting downvoted which is done by users.

themitigating 4y ago

You're comparing liberal people who vote democrat to republican politicians. The people who create the laws have the power. What laws they create and their policies is what matters. They are also voted in, meaning people support their views. Anyone can just say ,"I'm a Democrat and all kittens should be killed" hell, someone could lie to make a particular side look bad. However a person who has support behind them, like a politician, pundits, etc, those people matter and define what represents a political ideology. For example Biden doesn't support defunding the police nor has that happened I believe anywhere (there might be 1 or 2 exceptions). Republicans, by that I mean politicans, on the other hand have enacted their views into law What laws have the Democrats pushed or enacted for woke ideology?