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You'd think what they want is a solution to switch over to renewable energy sources that can meet or exceed current demands at comparative costs. No, they just

You'd think what they want is a solution to switch over to renewable energy sources that can meet or exceed current demands at comparative costs. No, they just want to get rid of fossil fuels. It doesn't matter if the new system can meet the demand at all, or how much it will cost. Look at California. Banning lawn mowers and ICE cars. Their power grid can't even support EV charging, and they're sending out notices asking people to charge their cars at off hours. It doesn't have to work. It just has to disrupt oil at any cost, even if the cost is human suffering.

epistasis 4y ago
That does not represent anything in the article. > Their power grid can't even support EV charging, This is categorically false, and a ridiculous thing to say.
- infamouscow 4y ago
  > The California Independent System Operator, which manages the state’s power grid, sent a Flex Alert asking all residents to voluntarily reduce their electricity use between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m. on Wednesday and Thursday and warned that more alerts were possible through the Labor Day weekend. > A spokeswoman for the governor, Erin Mellon, said that the request to avoid charging electrical vehicles has been misrepresented by critics of California’s efforts to curb emissions. > “We’re not saying don’t charge them,” she said. “We’re just saying don’t charge them between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-f...
  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    Air conditioners were the problem, not EV's.
    - shapefrog 4y ago
      The solution for air conditioners ... more solar power.
      - epistasis 4y ago
        Except for those hours 4-9... the solution to that is more storage, a solution which is ready today, shipping, and in demand in excess of current supply, even though supply is ramping up at tremendous speeds.
        smileysteve 4y ago
        What if, instead of localized salt reactors, we have hyper local chemical flow batteries.
        Schroedingersat 4y ago
        You can significantly reduce storage requirements by moving the solar peak to 4pm. Just install the solar panels upright rather than flat. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-d-possibilities-for-installations-of-bifacial-modules-and-e-comparison-of-power_fig1_350743188 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-d-possibilities-for-in... It also impedes other land use even less and can go in places like highway sound barriers. CSP with thermal storage is also cheaper than storage now in high resource/low cloud areas.
  - epistasis 4y ago
    > We’re not saying don’t charge them,” she said. “We’re just saying don’t charge them between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.” Exactly. During the worst, off the charts weather event ever experienced, with statewide heat never seen before, there were a few hours where people were asked to not use much energy, but they still had plenty of energy to charge cars.
  - acdha 4y ago
    That’s peak air conditioning load, and it nicely disproves the claim you’re defending: most cars charge aren’t plugged in at peak commuting time but they’ll charge just fine in the middle of the day when solar production is maximized or at night when the grid has plenty of excess capacity after AC demand has dropped significantly.
  - whartung 4y ago
    To be blunt, they weren't saying "Don't charges EVs". They were pretty much saying "Don't do ANYTHING that requires a lot of power.". Don't wash you clothes. Don't dry your clothes. Don't run your oven, hair dryer, blender. Let the arc furnace lie idle. Practice your metal turning hobby later in the day. Oh, and if you could, shut down the A/C kthx. That's what they were saying.
- wankle 4y ago
  Actually it's true: https://youtu.be/ptI6BRVC1Kw?t=145 https://youtu.be/ptI6BRVC1Kw?t=145

epistasis 4y ago

That does not represent anything in the article. > Their power grid can't even support EV charging, This is categorically false, and a ridiculous thing to say.

infamouscow 4y ago
> The California Independent System Operator, which manages the state’s power grid, sent a Flex Alert asking all residents to voluntarily reduce their electricity use between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m. on Wednesday and Thursday and warned that more alerts were possible through the Labor Day weekend. > A spokeswoman for the governor, Erin Mellon, said that the request to avoid charging electrical vehicles has been misrepresented by critics of California’s efforts to curb emissions. > “We’re not saying don’t charge them,” she said. “We’re just saying don’t charge them between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.” https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-flex-alert-ac-ev-charging.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/01/us/california-heat-wave-f...
- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  Air conditioners were the problem, not EV's.
  - shapefrog 4y ago
    The solution for air conditioners ... more solar power.
    - epistasis 4y ago
      Except for those hours 4-9... the solution to that is more storage, a solution which is ready today, shipping, and in demand in excess of current supply, even though supply is ramping up at tremendous speeds.
      - smileysteve 4y ago
        What if, instead of localized salt reactors, we have hyper local chemical flow batteries.
      - Schroedingersat 4y ago
        You can significantly reduce storage requirements by moving the solar peak to 4pm. Just install the solar panels upright rather than flat. https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-d-possibilities-for-installations-of-bifacial-modules-and-e-comparison-of-power_fig1_350743188 https://www.researchgate.net/figure/a-d-possibilities-for-in... It also impedes other land use even less and can go in places like highway sound barriers. CSP with thermal storage is also cheaper than storage now in high resource/low cloud areas.
- epistasis 4y ago
  > We’re not saying don’t charge them,” she said. “We’re just saying don’t charge them between 4 p.m. and 9 p.m.” Exactly. During the worst, off the charts weather event ever experienced, with statewide heat never seen before, there were a few hours where people were asked to not use much energy, but they still had plenty of energy to charge cars.
- acdha 4y ago
  That’s peak air conditioning load, and it nicely disproves the claim you’re defending: most cars charge aren’t plugged in at peak commuting time but they’ll charge just fine in the middle of the day when solar production is maximized or at night when the grid has plenty of excess capacity after AC demand has dropped significantly.
- whartung 4y ago
  To be blunt, they weren't saying "Don't charges EVs". They were pretty much saying "Don't do ANYTHING that requires a lot of power.". Don't wash you clothes. Don't dry your clothes. Don't run your oven, hair dryer, blender. Let the arc furnace lie idle. Practice your metal turning hobby later in the day. Oh, and if you could, shut down the A/C kthx. That's what they were saying.
wankle 4y ago
Actually it's true: https://youtu.be/ptI6BRVC1Kw?t=145 https://youtu.be/ptI6BRVC1Kw?t=145