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Almost nobody uses Firefox - it's Safari that keeps balance in the browser world.

ianbutler 4y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers To be fair, you are correct in the mobile space, and that is now the lion share of devices, but Firefox does have a healthy 7.5% usage in the desktop space if the metrics on this page are to be believed.
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- tpush 4y ago
  Why not just look at market share across all devices? Which makes chrisseaton's point: Firefox sits at 3.26% as opposed to Safari at 18.61%.
  - ianbutler 4y ago
    Because mobile and desktop are different markets
  - heavyset_go 4y ago
    Because all browsers are Safari on the mobile platform that has 60% of market share in the US.
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      Well yeah that’s a fact that supports the point. Why exclude it?
      - ianbutler 4y ago
        You literally can’t run a different browser on the device.* If I’ve installed Firefox I’ve installed reskinned Safari. “2.5.6 Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit framework and WebKit Javascript.” From the App Store guidelines. It’s not a choice thing. *without jailbreaking
        chrisseaton 4y ago
        You choose the browser with the device.
        ianbutler 4y ago
        That seems like an anti trust action waiting to happen frankly.
    - chlorion 4y ago
      That is irrelevant though. It sucks that Apple does this but it doesn't actually change the fact that Firefox use is at 3%.
      - heavyset_go 4y ago
        It affects usage rates of other browsers other than Safari on that platform, because other "browsers" are just limited chrome on top of Safari. The quality of Chrome, Firefox, etc on iOS will be behind the quality of the same browsers on platforms that they're allowed to improve and innovate upon.
  - KptMarchewa 4y ago
    Even 3% of market share could be hundreds of millions of people. Browser market size is extremely large. That's hardly irrelevant. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity
soperj 4y ago
Only because people are forced to.
pmarreck 4y ago
I use Firefox across all my devices. It's fantastic. The people who actually care about browsers (and, perhaps, "anonymity", or "doing the right thing") have all largely moved on from Chrome.
- chrisseaton 4y ago
  > I use Firefox across all my devices. I'm sure you really tip the scales. > The people who actually care about browsers (and, perhaps, "anonymity", or "doing the right thing") have all largely moved on from Chrome. Well then clearly most people don't care do they? Isn't that the point? Firefox isn't having a significant impact. They aren't achieving what they say they want to. Safari's having much more of an impact.
  - dzikimarian 4y ago
    > Safari's having much more of an impact. So what? Is there a limit to the number of browsers in the world?
    - chrisseaton 4y ago
      So what is it’s Safari keeping balance not Firefox. The original comment wasn’t right. You can’t keep balance with single-digit market-share.
      - dzikimarian 4y ago
        Okay, that's good. Hopefully they will continue. Goal is to not have single-browser monopoly, so everyone develop according to the standards not optimize against single engine. What's the point in arguing who is better balance keeper?
  - kibwen 4y ago
    > I'm sure you really tip the scales. Why get so upset about someone whom you are apparently certain has no impact?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers To be fair, you are correct in the mobile space, and that is now the lion share of devices, but Firefox does have a healthy 7.5% usage in the desktop space if the metrics on this page are to be believed.

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tpush 4y ago
Why not just look at market share across all devices? Which makes chrisseaton's point: Firefox sits at 3.26% as opposed to Safari at 18.61%.
- ianbutler 4y ago
  Because mobile and desktop are different markets
- heavyset_go 4y ago
  Because all browsers are Safari on the mobile platform that has 60% of market share in the US.
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    Well yeah that’s a fact that supports the point. Why exclude it?
    - ianbutler 4y ago
      You literally can’t run a different browser on the device.* If I’ve installed Firefox I’ve installed reskinned Safari. “2.5.6 Apps that browse the web must use the appropriate WebKit framework and WebKit Javascript.” From the App Store guidelines. It’s not a choice thing. *without jailbreaking
      - chrisseaton 4y ago
        You choose the browser with the device.
        ianbutler 4y ago
        That seems like an anti trust action waiting to happen frankly.
  - chlorion 4y ago
    That is irrelevant though. It sucks that Apple does this but it doesn't actually change the fact that Firefox use is at 3%.
    - heavyset_go 4y ago
      It affects usage rates of other browsers other than Safari on that platform, because other "browsers" are just limited chrome on top of Safari. The quality of Chrome, Firefox, etc on iOS will be behind the quality of the same browsers on platforms that they're allowed to improve and innovate upon.
- KptMarchewa 4y ago
  Even 3% of market share could be hundreds of millions of people. Browser market size is extremely large. That's hardly irrelevant. https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity

soperj 4y ago

Only because people are forced to.

pmarreck 4y ago

I use Firefox across all my devices. It's fantastic. The people who actually care about browsers (and, perhaps, "anonymity", or "doing the right thing") have all largely moved on from Chrome.

chrisseaton 4y ago
> I use Firefox across all my devices. I'm sure you really tip the scales. > The people who actually care about browsers (and, perhaps, "anonymity", or "doing the right thing") have all largely moved on from Chrome. Well then clearly most people don't care do they? Isn't that the point? Firefox isn't having a significant impact. They aren't achieving what they say they want to. Safari's having much more of an impact.
- dzikimarian 4y ago
  > Safari's having much more of an impact. So what? Is there a limit to the number of browsers in the world?
  - chrisseaton 4y ago
    So what is it’s Safari keeping balance not Firefox. The original comment wasn’t right. You can’t keep balance with single-digit market-share.
    - dzikimarian 4y ago
      Okay, that's good. Hopefully they will continue. Goal is to not have single-browser monopoly, so everyone develop according to the standards not optimize against single engine. What's the point in arguing who is better balance keeper?
- kibwen 4y ago
  > I'm sure you really tip the scales. Why get so upset about someone whom you are apparently certain has no impact?