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Well the incentives have also shifted. Long ago your kids were like a retirement policy. Now society says that's bad. You can't and shouldn't have kids to pr

Well the incentives have also shifted. Long ago your kids were like a retirement policy. Now society says that's bad. You can't and shouldn't have kids to provide for your own future. No the kids are there, in the ultimate hypocrisy, to provide for everyone elses future via compulsory taxes funding social programs. So everyone else benefits from your raising them, while you disproportionately shoulder the costs, creating a massive "free rider" problem.

nine_zeros 4y ago
> No the kids are there, in the ultimate hypocrisy, to provide for everyone elses future I don't know why this is being downvoted. If you listen to any republican biased radio/TV, you'd hear people blaming young people all the time. It's like they hate me for not having children BECAUSE it reduces the size of the labor force. Sorry republicans. I ain't bringing any kids to this world to serve YOU.
- rayiner 4y ago
  The working age labor force serves everyone, not just “republicans.” You also need working age people to pay taxes and provide the government services democrats want. If native born democrats won’t have them, then when they consume services in retirement, they’ll be free riding on republicans and immigrants.
  - nine_zeros 4y ago
    I agree that working age labor force serves everyone. But it is only "Republicans" who want to impose rules on people so that they have birth. If you truly believe in liberty, you also agree to let people live their lives. > If native born democrats won’t have them, then when they consume services in retirement, they’ll be free riding on republicans and immigrants. No one is preventing Republicans from having as many babies as they want. Go ahead. Make 100s of them and train them to be skilled. If they can't, I am happy with immigrants filling the gap. The real question is, why do Republicans feel the need to ask "others" to do what they want instead of doing it themselves?
    - rayiner 4y ago
      > But it is only "Republicans" who want to impose rules on people so that they have birth. Let me introduce you to people I like to call Muslims. I was just at a wedding for the daughter of a family friend we haven’t seen in years. She comes over to our table to say hi, and my mom is like “so when are you giving us the next big news?” And she’s like “auntie, after the honeymoon” because it wasn’t a joke. > If you truly believe in liberty, you also agree to let people live their lives. Republicans believe in liberty from the government, not liberty from social and moral norms. > The real question is, why do Republicans feel the need to ask "others" to do what they want instead of doing it themselves? Because kids are a positive externality that society needs and everyone benefits from. Nobody likes it when they do the work and other people won’t carry their weight.
      - nine_zeros 4y ago
        > Let me introduce you to people I like to call Muslims. I don't believe Muslims is a political party. But yes, I agree that Republicans in America are closer to Muslim theological societies than western liberal societies. > Republicans believe in liberty from the government, not liberty from social and moral norms. And liberty from government is exactly what I seek. I don't want government telling me to produce children. > Because kids are a positive externality that society needs and everyone benefits from. Nobody likes it when they do the work and other people won’t carry their weight. Right. And I have been shortchanged enough in life where I also don't like that I did so much work but others didn't carry their weight. My life also matters. I am battered and I cannot afford (mentally, physically and financially) to raise children in the precarious American society. We are in agreement then that other people need to carry their weight before I start having children.
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nine_zeros 4y ago

> No the kids are there, in the ultimate hypocrisy, to provide for everyone elses future I don't know why this is being downvoted. If you listen to any republican biased radio/TV, you'd hear people blaming young people all the time. It's like they hate me for not having children BECAUSE it reduces the size of the labor force. Sorry republicans. I ain't bringing any kids to this world to serve YOU.

rayiner 4y ago
The working age labor force serves everyone, not just “republicans.” You also need working age people to pay taxes and provide the government services democrats want. If native born democrats won’t have them, then when they consume services in retirement, they’ll be free riding on republicans and immigrants.
- nine_zeros 4y ago
  I agree that working age labor force serves everyone. But it is only "Republicans" who want to impose rules on people so that they have birth. If you truly believe in liberty, you also agree to let people live their lives. > If native born democrats won’t have them, then when they consume services in retirement, they’ll be free riding on republicans and immigrants. No one is preventing Republicans from having as many babies as they want. Go ahead. Make 100s of them and train them to be skilled. If they can't, I am happy with immigrants filling the gap. The real question is, why do Republicans feel the need to ask "others" to do what they want instead of doing it themselves?
  - rayiner 4y ago
    > But it is only "Republicans" who want to impose rules on people so that they have birth. Let me introduce you to people I like to call Muslims. I was just at a wedding for the daughter of a family friend we haven’t seen in years. She comes over to our table to say hi, and my mom is like “so when are you giving us the next big news?” And she’s like “auntie, after the honeymoon” because it wasn’t a joke. > If you truly believe in liberty, you also agree to let people live their lives. Republicans believe in liberty from the government, not liberty from social and moral norms. > The real question is, why do Republicans feel the need to ask "others" to do what they want instead of doing it themselves? Because kids are a positive externality that society needs and everyone benefits from. Nobody likes it when they do the work and other people won’t carry their weight.
    - nine_zeros 4y ago
      > Let me introduce you to people I like to call Muslims. I don't believe Muslims is a political party. But yes, I agree that Republicans in America are closer to Muslim theological societies than western liberal societies. > Republicans believe in liberty from the government, not liberty from social and moral norms. And liberty from government is exactly what I seek. I don't want government telling me to produce children. > Because kids are a positive externality that society needs and everyone benefits from. Nobody likes it when they do the work and other people won’t carry their weight. Right. And I have been shortchanged enough in life where I also don't like that I did so much work but others didn't carry their weight. My life also matters. I am battered and I cannot afford (mentally, physically and financially) to raise children in the precarious American society. We are in agreement then that other people need to carry their weight before I start having children.
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