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Since there's no evidence that he did anything wrong, it doesn't make any sense to just assume that he's guilty due to being in an administrative position durin

by Taywee 4y ago

Since there's no evidence that he did anything wrong, it doesn't make any sense to just assume that he's guilty due to being in an administrative position during the time.

naasking 4y ago
Charity and presumption of innocence has long since gone out the window these days.
- sigmar 4y ago
  Presumption of innocence is required in US courts because the state imparting punishment deprives people of rights. What rights is Webb deprived of by not getting a satellite named after him?
  - naasking 4y ago
    A court of law is not the only context in which presumption of innocence is and should be the default. It should in fact be the default in most if not all contexts. Furthermore, impugning the reputation of someone deceased and unable to defend themselves is an insult to his family and his legacy. The fact that people think that doing this is justified without any supporting evidence is just disgraceful.
  - Taywee 4y ago
    Presumption of innocence is an important principle for all of society. It's not just some heady legal principle that doesn't apply to non-state entities. Why do you think that the state is the only entity that can deprive people of their rights or their wellbeing? Presumption of guilt is how people end up being shamed and exiled for things they didn't do. You don't have to be persecuted by the government to be a victim of persecution.
sigmar 4y ago
It's not "assuming" anything to say he went to the White house meeting about these firings. Knew about the firings. Didn't dissent in the discussion or object to the final outcome of firing people From the report: "Truman and Webb discussed a strategy of engagement with the Hoey Committee determining how they might “work together on the homosexual investigation”"
- Taywee 4y ago
  From the agency that compiled the report: "The report found no evidence that Webb was either a leader or proponent of firing government employees for their sexual orientation." I haven't read the 80+ page report in its entirety, but I am not going to take an out-of-context statement from the report that concluded his non-involvement as some evidence against him. That statement sounds perhaps damning, but I can assume that the context might paint a more complete picture, or perhaps it was recollected by somebody else, or maybe the extent of it was that Truman called for a meeting with Webb with the goal being "work together on the homosexual investigation", and Webb attended the meeting out of professional obligation. I don't know. I do know that the statement is from the report that concluded that he was NOT involved, so right off the bat, I can conclude that in isolation, it's misleading.

by Taywee 4y ago

Since there's no evidence that he did anything wrong, it doesn't make any sense to just assume that he's guilty due to being in an administrative position during the time.

naasking 4y ago

Charity and presumption of innocence has long since gone out the window these days.

sigmar 4y ago
Presumption of innocence is required in US courts because the state imparting punishment deprives people of rights. What rights is Webb deprived of by not getting a satellite named after him?
- naasking 4y ago
  A court of law is not the only context in which presumption of innocence is and should be the default. It should in fact be the default in most if not all contexts. Furthermore, impugning the reputation of someone deceased and unable to defend themselves is an insult to his family and his legacy. The fact that people think that doing this is justified without any supporting evidence is just disgraceful.
- Taywee 4y ago
  Presumption of innocence is an important principle for all of society. It's not just some heady legal principle that doesn't apply to non-state entities. Why do you think that the state is the only entity that can deprive people of their rights or their wellbeing? Presumption of guilt is how people end up being shamed and exiled for things they didn't do. You don't have to be persecuted by the government to be a victim of persecution.

sigmar 4y ago

It's not "assuming" anything to say he went to the White house meeting about these firings. Knew about the firings. Didn't dissent in the discussion or object to the final outcome of firing people From the report: "Truman and Webb discussed a strategy of engagement with the Hoey Committee determining how they might “work together on the homosexual investigation”"

Taywee 4y ago
From the agency that compiled the report: "The report found no evidence that Webb was either a leader or proponent of firing government employees for their sexual orientation." I haven't read the 80+ page report in its entirety, but I am not going to take an out-of-context statement from the report that concluded his non-involvement as some evidence against him. That statement sounds perhaps damning, but I can assume that the context might paint a more complete picture, or perhaps it was recollected by somebody else, or maybe the extent of it was that Truman called for a meeting with Webb with the goal being "work together on the homosexual investigation", and Webb attended the meeting out of professional obligation. I don't know. I do know that the statement is from the report that concluded that he was NOT involved, so right off the bat, I can conclude that in isolation, it's misleading.