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I want to love Mozilla and Firefox as it promotes diversity and standards for the web, but god do I hate Mozilla's marketing. It's completely outrage driven an

I want to love Mozilla and Firefox as it promotes diversity and standards for the web, but god do I hate Mozilla's marketing. It's completely outrage driven and feeds on fearmongering: "google bad, we good, give us money". Having spoken to people who work at Mozilla they say the management is pretty toxic which makes me think they are being hypocrites with their message.

e63f67dd-065b 4y ago
7.4M out of their 600M revenue is from contributions. I don't really see them soliciting donations either, so really they could have 0 donations starting tomorrow and be perfectly fine.
chrisseaton 4y ago
Some of the stuff on their blog feed is just very negative. Like why would you write a blog post about how to delete an account from another service? Just seems petty and vindictive and not really any of your business. Why do it? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/how-to-delete-spotify/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/how-to-delete-s... Then they have an apparent advert for Disney? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/disney-and-pixars-turning-red-movie-browser-mobile-wallpapers/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/disney-and-pixars-turni... Remember when they forced an a creepy advert for some random TV show into everyone's browsers? It's all just a big unhinged.
- dont__panic 4y ago
  Curiously, I actually like their reasoning behind the blog post: > With our lives so online, our digital space can get messy with inactive and unnecessary accounts — and forgetting about them can pose a security risk. This is a good message about web hygiene. It does feel a bit negative, though, you're right. I wish they'd focus on more balance between "big tech bad" and "try this cool open source alternative" because there are SO many cool projects out there to help you manage a music library, or personal streaming, etc.
bogomipz 4y ago
>"It's completely outrage driven and feeds on fearmongering: "google bad, we good, give us money"." Indeed and yet they don't have any problem taking hundreds of millions of dollars from Google in exchange for letting Google be their default search engine.[1] Talk about cognitive dissonance. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search/ https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search...
- Barrin92 4y ago
  I don't think it's cognitive dissosance, if anything it showcases their point. Google is so dominant that even its competitors essentially exist only by virtue of being kept around by them. basically the browser version of the "you critize society, yet you have a phone" meme.
  - gretch 4y ago
    > its competitors essentially exist only by virtue of being kept around by them Just this competitor though...? Apple and Microsoft certainly don't exist purely by virtue of being kept around by Google.
    - orra 4y ago
      Microsoft don't write a browser engine. Apple lets theirs stagnate, and IIRC make a lot of money from the iOS default search engine.
      - rascul 4y ago
        > Microsoft don't write a browser engine. Well, they did, but they let it stagnate.
    - Barrin92 4y ago
      they're not competitors. Apple leverages its equivalent position in the hardware/os space to not compete (also has the same search deal as Firefox to the tune of billions anyway), and Microsoft ships you a reskinned chrome with its OS. Competitors was honestly a mistake on my part because you're right. Just this competitor as Firefox is the only independent competitor left with significant usershare at all.
deafpolygon 4y ago
What's a good alternative to get behind? If not Mozilla/Firefox?

e63f67dd-065b 4y ago

7.4M out of their 600M revenue is from contributions. I don't really see them soliciting donations either, so really they could have 0 donations starting tomorrow and be perfectly fine.

chrisseaton 4y ago

Some of the stuff on their blog feed is just very negative. Like why would you write a blog post about how to delete an account from another service? Just seems petty and vindictive and not really any of your business. Why do it? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/how-to-delete-spotify/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/how-to-delete-s... Then they have an apparent advert for Disney? https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/disney-and-pixars-turning-red-movie-browser-mobile-wallpapers/ https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/disney-and-pixars-turni... Remember when they forced an a creepy advert for some random TV show into everyone's browsers? It's all just a big unhinged.

dont__panic 4y ago
Curiously, I actually like their reasoning behind the blog post: > With our lives so online, our digital space can get messy with inactive and unnecessary accounts — and forgetting about them can pose a security risk. This is a good message about web hygiene. It does feel a bit negative, though, you're right. I wish they'd focus on more balance between "big tech bad" and "try this cool open source alternative" because there are SO many cool projects out there to help you manage a music library, or personal streaming, etc.

bogomipz 4y ago

>"It's completely outrage driven and feeds on fearmongering: "google bad, we good, give us money"." Indeed and yet they don't have any problem taking hundreds of millions of dollars from Google in exchange for letting Google be their default search engine.[1] Talk about cognitive dissonance. [1] https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search/ https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search...

Barrin92 4y ago
I don't think it's cognitive dissosance, if anything it showcases their point. Google is so dominant that even its competitors essentially exist only by virtue of being kept around by them. basically the browser version of the "you critize society, yet you have a phone" meme.
- gretch 4y ago
  > its competitors essentially exist only by virtue of being kept around by them Just this competitor though...? Apple and Microsoft certainly don't exist purely by virtue of being kept around by Google.
  - orra 4y ago
    Microsoft don't write a browser engine. Apple lets theirs stagnate, and IIRC make a lot of money from the iOS default search engine.
    - rascul 4y ago
      > Microsoft don't write a browser engine. Well, they did, but they let it stagnate.
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    they're not competitors. Apple leverages its equivalent position in the hardware/os space to not compete (also has the same search deal as Firefox to the tune of billions anyway), and Microsoft ships you a reskinned chrome with its OS. Competitors was honestly a mistake on my part because you're right. Just this competitor as Firefox is the only independent competitor left with significant usershare at all.

deafpolygon 4y ago

What's a good alternative to get behind? If not Mozilla/Firefox?