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The problem with your statement is the equivalent developer is extremely common in the PHP world. There's tons of people who hack on WordPress or Drupal and 'ha

by flomo 15y ago

The problem with your statement is the equivalent developer is extremely common in the PHP world. There's tons of people who hack on WordPress or Drupal and 'have no idea how things work underneath'. It's probably the majority of people with "PHP" on their resume.

knieveltech 15y ago
I call bullshit on your Drupal FUD. You can't code effectively for Drupal without a robust grasp on basic PHP, SQL and the Drupal suite of hooks. You better have some serious OO chops too or integration with stuff like Views is going to eat your face.
- flomo 15y ago
  Yeah, but mainly because Drupal is a pile. CCK & custom forms seems about four times more complicated than just doing it in raw PHP. So that is not necessarily taking anything away from the intelligence of the developers, only pointing out they are coding against the abstraction, not the plumbing. Still I'd bet the majority of 'Drupal developers' are just folks who know what the right modules are & some customization tricks.
  - knieveltech 15y ago
    "Still I'd bet the majority of 'Drupal developers' are just folks who know what the right modules are & some customization tricks." My anecdotal evidence based on five years of working with the CMS indicates you'd lose that bet, but whatever.
- jasonlotito 15y ago
  Woah. You're not arguing his point. He's saying there are people that hack at drupal without having a clue as to what's going on. He's not suggesting that is coding effectively at all. But that doesn't mean they aren't there, searching for specific strings, and spending 5 hours with trial and error before stumbling on a correct solution.
blindhippo 15y ago
As a "Drupal Developer" I can verify this is so true. It makes hiring competent developers in this space nearly impossible. Most of the people that I compete against know how to barely cobble together a couple modules and think that putting some hackey PHP code into a view field (which is stored in a database) is "coding". Or that coding of any sort is some how not "The Drupal Way". I despise these people. I would counter, however, that any developer who can accurately explain from start to finish how Drupal handles a request is worth their salt.

by flomo 15y ago

knieveltech 15y ago

I call bullshit on your Drupal FUD. You can't code effectively for Drupal without a robust grasp on basic PHP, SQL and the Drupal suite of hooks. You better have some serious OO chops too or integration with stuff like Views is going to eat your face.

flomo 15y ago
Yeah, but mainly because Drupal is a pile. CCK & custom forms seems about four times more complicated than just doing it in raw PHP. So that is not necessarily taking anything away from the intelligence of the developers, only pointing out they are coding against the abstraction, not the plumbing. Still I'd bet the majority of 'Drupal developers' are just folks who know what the right modules are & some customization tricks.
- knieveltech 15y ago
  "Still I'd bet the majority of 'Drupal developers' are just folks who know what the right modules are & some customization tricks." My anecdotal evidence based on five years of working with the CMS indicates you'd lose that bet, but whatever.
jasonlotito 15y ago
Woah. You're not arguing his point. He's saying there are people that hack at drupal without having a clue as to what's going on. He's not suggesting that is coding effectively at all. But that doesn't mean they aren't there, searching for specific strings, and spending 5 hours with trial and error before stumbling on a correct solution.

blindhippo 15y ago

As a "Drupal Developer" I can verify this is so true. It makes hiring competent developers in this space nearly impossible. Most of the people that I compete against know how to barely cobble together a couple modules and think that putting some hackey PHP code into a view field (which is stored in a database) is "coding". Or that coding of any sort is some how not "The Drupal Way". I despise these people. I would counter, however, that any developer who can accurately explain from start to finish how Drupal handles a request is worth their salt.