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Ok, so that’s one person that just needs to explain his role to the new boss. But the same excuse can’t apply to everyone on the team.

qwytw 4y ago
And the new boss has enough time to throughly review the contributions of every employee in the company? To be fair is the number of engineers left in Twitter falls to double digits this just might become possible...
- khazhoux 4y ago
  I have to assume he’ll delegate to people he trusts.
  - qwytw 4y ago
    I would fine it hard to make this assumption based on how he's behaving. Also does he really have that many at Twitter people whom he trusts? And are there many who trust him?
    - khazhoux 4y ago
      I think he’s brought in buddies, and heads of engineering from tesla and spacex.
      - qwytw 4y ago
        Right, they must be experts at what Twitter is doing. Industrial, electric, rocket engineering etc. is basically the same as frontend/backend development. To be fair I can't tell if your post is sarcasm or not.
        khazhoux 4y ago
        Why would it be sarcasm? I read somewhere (?) that Elon brought in his eng leads from SpaceX and Tesla to help him sort things out. At any rate, I think you'd be mistaken to believe that there aren't top-notch software engineers at SpaceX and Tesla. They both have front-end tools, massive backend systems, data pipelines at huge scale, metrics and analysis systems, and so forth.
        qwytw 4y ago
        > help him sort things out I doubt this could have a significantly different outcome than just firing people at random (or using some bizarre metrics like lines of code committed). That's probably irrelevant if Musk's goal is to simply drastically cut the number of employees at Twitter one way or the other.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  Twitter has like less than 1000 employees. If half are getting this review for 10 minutes each that's 83 hours. A team of 8 that he trusts can do that in a day. No it's not thorough, but it's a start and you can schedule more thorough reviews as needed.
  - BoorishBears 4y ago
    First off, it had a lot more than 1000 employees when this started. But this thread is missing the forest for the trees: take my coworker for example. He's become such a pivotal player because he stayed at the company much longer than the average tenure in our industry. Why did he do that? Well, my hunch is the fact no one sweats him if he needs to pick up his kids from school, he can work from home as needed, he's not expected to work 80 hours a week... all play into that. So it doesn't really matter if you realize he's valuable, fire half the company and start talking about extreme work hours and he'll rightfully leave. People like him such experts at the specifics of their jobs that even 30 hours of their work is worth more than 80 hours of some loyal Elon drone who might have all the zeal in the world, but can't magically recreate 6 years worth of being deeply embedded in a company. - We already saw Twitter employees saying Elon has fired people who fit in this category. And to add fuel to dumpster fire, those people tend to have stayed due to a bond with the job. Start shaking it up by getting rid of people they build camaraderie with and doubling work hours and they'll leave. After all, having a resume showing years of executing at a high level in a company like Twitter is a huge boon. Money was raining from the sky until very recently and these people ignored it and stayed put. You can't find people like that easily in our industry.
  - qwytw 4y ago
    Or you could just rank everyone by the number lines they committed in the less 6 months and fire the bottom 50%. I would put very little trust in any review process someone who displayed such lack of judgement comes up with. A more reasonable explanation is that he just wants the employees to self select. (Sane) People who are unwilling to take this process seriously will just leave and only those who'd fit in the environment he's creating would stay.
BoorishBears 4y ago
You accidentally stumbled across what everyone else has been complaining about this entire time... he fired 3,700 people in a couple of weeks! He was asking them to print our their code and show it to a team of his engineers, that didn't exactly leave time for in-depth discussions about non-code impact. His entire mantra has been code-is-king and claiming people's non-code work was cruft from over-engineering, so it's not exactly like he'd accept that excuse anyways.

qwytw 4y ago

And the new boss has enough time to throughly review the contributions of every employee in the company? To be fair is the number of engineers left in Twitter falls to double digits this just might become possible...

khazhoux 4y ago
I have to assume he’ll delegate to people he trusts.
- qwytw 4y ago
  I would fine it hard to make this assumption based on how he's behaving. Also does he really have that many at Twitter people whom he trusts? And are there many who trust him?
  - khazhoux 4y ago
    I think he’s brought in buddies, and heads of engineering from tesla and spacex.
    - qwytw 4y ago
      Right, they must be experts at what Twitter is doing. Industrial, electric, rocket engineering etc. is basically the same as frontend/backend development. To be fair I can't tell if your post is sarcasm or not.
      - khazhoux 4y ago
        Why would it be sarcasm? I read somewhere (?) that Elon brought in his eng leads from SpaceX and Tesla to help him sort things out. At any rate, I think you'd be mistaken to believe that there aren't top-notch software engineers at SpaceX and Tesla. They both have front-end tools, massive backend systems, data pipelines at huge scale, metrics and analysis systems, and so forth.
        qwytw 4y ago
        > help him sort things out I doubt this could have a significantly different outcome than just firing people at random (or using some bizarre metrics like lines of code committed). That's probably irrelevant if Musk's goal is to simply drastically cut the number of employees at Twitter one way or the other.
HDThoreaun 4y ago
Twitter has like less than 1000 employees. If half are getting this review for 10 minutes each that's 83 hours. A team of 8 that he trusts can do that in a day. No it's not thorough, but it's a start and you can schedule more thorough reviews as needed.
- BoorishBears 4y ago
  First off, it had a lot more than 1000 employees when this started. But this thread is missing the forest for the trees: take my coworker for example. He's become such a pivotal player because he stayed at the company much longer than the average tenure in our industry. Why did he do that? Well, my hunch is the fact no one sweats him if he needs to pick up his kids from school, he can work from home as needed, he's not expected to work 80 hours a week... all play into that. So it doesn't really matter if you realize he's valuable, fire half the company and start talking about extreme work hours and he'll rightfully leave. People like him such experts at the specifics of their jobs that even 30 hours of their work is worth more than 80 hours of some loyal Elon drone who might have all the zeal in the world, but can't magically recreate 6 years worth of being deeply embedded in a company. - We already saw Twitter employees saying Elon has fired people who fit in this category. And to add fuel to dumpster fire, those people tend to have stayed due to a bond with the job. Start shaking it up by getting rid of people they build camaraderie with and doubling work hours and they'll leave. After all, having a resume showing years of executing at a high level in a company like Twitter is a huge boon. Money was raining from the sky until very recently and these people ignored it and stayed put. You can't find people like that easily in our industry.
- qwytw 4y ago
  Or you could just rank everyone by the number lines they committed in the less 6 months and fire the bottom 50%. I would put very little trust in any review process someone who displayed such lack of judgement comes up with. A more reasonable explanation is that he just wants the employees to self select. (Sane) People who are unwilling to take this process seriously will just leave and only those who'd fit in the environment he's creating would stay.

BoorishBears 4y ago

You accidentally stumbled across what everyone else has been complaining about this entire time... he fired 3,700 people in a couple of weeks! He was asking them to print our their code and show it to a team of his engineers, that didn't exactly leave time for in-depth discussions about non-code impact. His entire mantra has been code-is-king and claiming people's non-code work was cruft from over-engineering, so it's not exactly like he'd accept that excuse anyways.