"Seriously, that's not even an argument, it's an anecdote of dubious validity." I don't have to prove anything. This is why I started it out with "I've know a

"Seriously, that's not even an argument, it's an anecdote of dubious validity." I don't have to prove anything. This is why I started it out with "I've know a few developers". "NOT_YOUR_FRAMEWORK_DEVELOPERS are ignorant, please prove it statistically or find a forum other than hacker news to flame on." You are one of the problems with hacker news right now. I was merely stating my opinion. Nowhere did I say "all developers". Just because my opinions is different than yours doesn't mean I am trolling or flaming. Also, when assembly went out of style and c became popular, less and less developers knew how things worked at a lower level. It makes sense that the same thing will happen with frameworks and libraries that are at a higher level.