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> I haven't seen any indicators of Twitter failing besides 2FA failures; If you ignore everything we are hearing about mass employee exodus and critical teams

> I haven't seen any indicators of Twitter failing besides 2FA failures; If you ignore everything we are hearing about mass employee exodus and critical teams having no engineers left. > Why do you guys hate Elon with your guts with such an intense passion? To put it bluntly, because he is an asshole. I honestly don’t know how anyone likes him after he called a cave diver who helped save a bunch of children a pedo just because he said that Musks proposed submarine rescue wouldn’t work. His ego is immense and he lacks the emotional maturity to not lash out at people when he is wrong. On top of all that he is a billionaire, which is an inherently immoral thing to be IMO. A good person cannot amass that much wealth and not give away 99% of it to help people who need it.

systemvoltage 4y ago
Why are billionaires immoral? That seems completely backwards. They created value not by coercion, but by commerce and improved the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJwAYJ9B08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJwAYJ9B08 The whole pie has gotten larger since the industrial revolution and has lifted people out of poverty at an unprecendented rate through Capitalism. The current zeitgeist in places like HN and in progressive circles is worrying. There was just a recent thread about how India lifted people out of poverty and people were downvoting pro-Capitalist comments even though that's the truth no matter how you twist it.
- wilsonnb3 4y ago
  I am pro capitalism and I don't think that the creation of value by billionaires is immoral. The immoral part comes after that when they sit on their horde of money, far too much for anyone to spend in 10 lifetimes, while they should be giving it to people and causes that need it. The only one of the "mainstream", household name billionaires that gets it seems to be MacKenzie Scott.
  - dougSF70 4y ago
    He hasn't not given it away yet...and since most of it is tied up in illiquid stock (space x, twitter) and liquid stock (tesla) he probably can't do so easily. When you and me are billionaires we might have a different perspective.
    - wilsonnb3 4y ago
      This is true, it is not liquid, but some basic googling shows me that he donated $6 billion in stock and sold $10-12 billion so far in 2022. I commend him for donating $6 billion, that is an objectively good thing, but what the hell is he going to do with $10 billion in cash? He can live a life of lavish luxury with 1% of that.
  - dougSF70 4y ago
    He used $10bn of tesla stock to buy twitter (probably).
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Their wealth is not sitting in cash and they are not "hording it". They built the company through free enterprise and their wealth is in the very thing that they built from scratch. This is just elementary misunderstanding of "billionaires".
no_butterscotch 4y ago
> His ego is immense and he lacks the emotional maturity to not lash out at people when he is wrong. > To put it bluntly, because he is an asshole. A few years ago some data/articles made the rounds showing that most billionaires and high-powered executives are "psychopaths" according to the criteria for "psychopathy". It isn't necessarily Elon specific but his public outbursts certainly put him in the spotlight, others lay low.

systemvoltage 4y ago

Why are billionaires immoral? That seems completely backwards. They created value not by coercion, but by commerce and improved the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJwAYJ9B08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtJwAYJ9B08 The whole pie has gotten larger since the industrial revolution and has lifted people out of poverty at an unprecendented rate through Capitalism. The current zeitgeist in places like HN and in progressive circles is worrying. There was just a recent thread about how India lifted people out of poverty and people were downvoting pro-Capitalist comments even though that's the truth no matter how you twist it.

wilsonnb3 4y ago
I am pro capitalism and I don't think that the creation of value by billionaires is immoral. The immoral part comes after that when they sit on their horde of money, far too much for anyone to spend in 10 lifetimes, while they should be giving it to people and causes that need it. The only one of the "mainstream", household name billionaires that gets it seems to be MacKenzie Scott.
- dougSF70 4y ago
  He hasn't not given it away yet...and since most of it is tied up in illiquid stock (space x, twitter) and liquid stock (tesla) he probably can't do so easily. When you and me are billionaires we might have a different perspective.
  - wilsonnb3 4y ago
    This is true, it is not liquid, but some basic googling shows me that he donated $6 billion in stock and sold $10-12 billion so far in 2022. I commend him for donating $6 billion, that is an objectively good thing, but what the hell is he going to do with $10 billion in cash? He can live a life of lavish luxury with 1% of that.
- dougSF70 4y ago
  He used $10bn of tesla stock to buy twitter (probably).
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Their wealth is not sitting in cash and they are not "hording it". They built the company through free enterprise and their wealth is in the very thing that they built from scratch. This is just elementary misunderstanding of "billionaires".

no_butterscotch 4y ago

> His ego is immense and he lacks the emotional maturity to not lash out at people when he is wrong. > To put it bluntly, because he is an asshole. A few years ago some data/articles made the rounds showing that most billionaires and high-powered executives are "psychopaths" according to the criteria for "psychopathy". It isn't necessarily Elon specific but his public outbursts certainly put him in the spotlight, others lay low.