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Website and app working fine for me. Don't really see this "spectacular collapse" everyone seems to wish would happen

by PKop 4y ago

coldcode 4y ago
It will until it stops. Then no one will be available to make it go again. Inertia eventually fails.
kharak 4y ago
Have to agree. I’m bewildered by the (social) media reaction so far. People, the app still works. Over a thousand employees will continue to work for Twitter. As far as I understand, Twitter is financially in a terrible state. Huge changes have to happen. Let’s all just wait and see how it will turn out.
- lijogdfljk 4y ago
  Sure, but the "collapse" is terrible management here lol. Terrible, by the metric of his own inconsistent actions. To suddenly reverse the decision of accidentally laying off 80% of your workforce is hilarious. People aren't saying the app isn't working. If you lay off all of HR will your company still run tomorrow? Of course. Lay off all of engineering will the app still run tomorrow? Of course (most likely lol). The collapse is the implied result of all these terrible decisions. Terrible decisions which imply terrible leadership. And companies can only survive terrible leadership for so long.
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themadturk 4y ago
Yes, but as has been brought up multiple times, for how long? Are those that remain the right people to fix hardware or software failures, which are inevitable? I put in the request to download my data last night -- not because I'm leaving Twitter, but just as a precaution -- and I wonder if it will be fulfilled. I'm sure it's an automated process, but will the systems be running by the time it gets to my request?
dredmorbius 4y ago
"Twitter" isn't just the technical website infrastructure, though that itself is now at grave risk: <https://how.complexsystems.fail/ https://how.complexsystems.fail/> It's also: - Twitter, the advertising-driven business model, which advertisers are fleeing. - Twitter, the institutional knowledge, technical and otherwise, which is now fleeing. - Twitter, a government-regulated (FTC and possibly other consent decrees / orders) enterprise. See for example: <https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/05/ftc-charges-twitter-deceptively-using-account-security-data-sell-targeted-ads https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/05/...> - Twitter, the contributors community, now rather noisily debarking for other pastures. On all these counts, Twitter is in the process of collapsing, and/or approaching a state where such collapse is inevitable. Pedantic limited-scope literal reading would be a flawed assessment.
- PKop 4y ago
  Musk himself has said multiple times Twitter might go bankrupt. They were already losing money and it wasn't really a sustainable business when he bought it given economic trends; something had to change. The particular melodrama aimed at Musk right now is just cope amongst the milieu he is purging from Twitter and/or hurt feelings and ressentiment of the media class over Musks stance on free speech. They want him to fail and will go overboard at every little attempt he makes to change direction of the company. This is a good take here. It's all performative outrage: https://twitter.com/ShantMM/status/1593649293927202816 https://twitter.com/ShantMM/status/1593649293927202816
  - dredmorbius 4y ago
    This both entirely misses the point of my own comment and negates your own previous statement. Contrast "it wasn't really a sustainable business" with "Don't really see this 'spectacular collapse'". Your comments lack both coherence and consistency.
    - PKop 4y ago
      Twitter is not in chaos or collapsing because of Musk's actions, which is the message of the main post. A certain cohort of the tech and media industry is in chaos because they fear Musk will get away with it.

Website and app working fine for me. Don't really see this "spectacular collapse" everyone seems to wish would happen

by PKop 4y ago

Website and app working fine for me. Don't really see this "spectacular collapse" everyone seems to wish would happen

coldcode 4y ago

It will until it stops. Then no one will be available to make it go again. Inertia eventually fails.

kharak 4y ago

Have to agree. I’m bewildered by the (social) media reaction so far. People, the app still works. Over a thousand employees will continue to work for Twitter. As far as I understand, Twitter is financially in a terrible state. Huge changes have to happen. Let’s all just wait and see how it will turn out.

lijogdfljk 4y ago
Sure, but the "collapse" is terrible management here lol. Terrible, by the metric of his own inconsistent actions. To suddenly reverse the decision of accidentally laying off 80% of your workforce is hilarious. People aren't saying the app isn't working. If you lay off all of HR will your company still run tomorrow? Of course. Lay off all of engineering will the app still run tomorrow? Of course (most likely lol). The collapse is the implied result of all these terrible decisions. Terrible decisions which imply terrible leadership. And companies can only survive terrible leadership for so long.
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themadturk 4y ago

Yes, but as has been brought up multiple times, for how long? Are those that remain the right people to fix hardware or software failures, which are inevitable? I put in the request to download my data last night -- not because I'm leaving Twitter, but just as a precaution -- and I wonder if it will be fulfilled. I'm sure it's an automated process, but will the systems be running by the time it gets to my request?

dredmorbius 4y ago

"Twitter" isn't just the technical website infrastructure, though that itself is now at grave risk: <https://how.complexsystems.fail/ https://how.complexsystems.fail/> It's also: - Twitter, the advertising-driven business model, which advertisers are fleeing. - Twitter, the institutional knowledge, technical and otherwise, which is now fleeing. - Twitter, a government-regulated (FTC and possibly other consent decrees / orders) enterprise. See for example: <https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/05/ftc-charges-twitter-deceptively-using-account-security-data-sell-targeted-ads https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2022/05/...> - Twitter, the contributors community, now rather noisily debarking for other pastures. On all these counts, Twitter is in the process of collapsing, and/or approaching a state where such collapse is inevitable. Pedantic limited-scope literal reading would be a flawed assessment.

PKop 4y ago
Musk himself has said multiple times Twitter might go bankrupt. They were already losing money and it wasn't really a sustainable business when he bought it given economic trends; something had to change. The particular melodrama aimed at Musk right now is just cope amongst the milieu he is purging from Twitter and/or hurt feelings and ressentiment of the media class over Musks stance on free speech. They want him to fail and will go overboard at every little attempt he makes to change direction of the company. This is a good take here. It's all performative outrage: https://twitter.com/ShantMM/status/1593649293927202816 https://twitter.com/ShantMM/status/1593649293927202816
- dredmorbius 4y ago
  This both entirely misses the point of my own comment and negates your own previous statement. Contrast "it wasn't really a sustainable business" with "Don't really see this 'spectacular collapse'". Your comments lack both coherence and consistency.
  - PKop 4y ago
    Twitter is not in chaos or collapsing because of Musk's actions, which is the message of the main post. A certain cohort of the tech and media industry is in chaos because they fear Musk will get away with it.