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by bedhead 4y ago

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KerrAvon 4y ago
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- macspoofing 4y ago
  To be fair - OP isn't wrong. There has been a lot of "pearl-clutching" about nothing-burger issues since 2016. This era has throwbacks to the 80s moral-majority/church-lady culture, with a sprinkling of "The Satanic Panic" and "McCarthyism".
  - bedhead 4y ago
    Yup. Everything flipped. The left is the new religious right only on steroids.
- bedhead 4y ago
  There is no right wing media ecosystem. There is Fox, which I’ve literally never once in my life watched and have made fun of for two decades. Then there are a bunch of rinky-dink outlets no one even knows. There is however, a giant, ubiquitous, controlling ecosystem of liberal media and news and information outlets who we all used to rely on for being at least pretty much objective which I’ve grown insanely f-ing sick of and find beyond disgraceful (they’re all now far worse and more shameful than Fox ever was) since around 2016
dale_glass 4y ago
Oh fine, I'll articulate why. Musk doesn't know what he has bought. He seems to think it's a technology company. It's not. It's an advertising business mixed up with a social platform. Those don't require lots of brains, in fact Twitter is already built and works. The what the likes of Twitter require to be successful is the willingness to carefully navigate a bunch of minefields and come up with compromises that make nobody happy, but keep trouble at a minimum. Musk is obviously incapable of doing this. He just started, and immediately spooked the advertisers. Then he started whining, and threatening both advertisers and his own employees, apparently not realizing that he has no real power over either. It's clear that Twitter is going down the drain sooner or later because Musk exceeded the limits of his competence. At this rate I expect him to be hit with fat fines from the EU, demands from various other countries to comply with their rules, piss off advertisers, run into trouble with illegal content of various kinds, and have stability issues and security exploits. It's not that it offends me so much to have a conservative driven platform. It's that the man is clearly incompetent and flailing, and as amusing as that is to watch, it's clear the platform won't survive it so alternatives are needed.
- macspoofing 4y ago
  >It's clear that Twitter is going down the drain sooner or later because Musk exceeded the limits of his competence. I don't think it's a question of competence. Musk bought a company that was already losing billions, and saddled it with debt and billions of interest payments per year. His recent actions also cost near-term ad-revenue loss, thereby further amplifying losses. As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. The problem is that he actually cannot afford to float Twitter until such time that the company becomes profitable (if ever). Hence the drastic cost-cutting measures.
  - dale_glass 4y ago
    > I don't think it's a question of competence. Musk bought a company that was already losing billions, and saddled it with debt and billions of interest payments per year. That's incompetence > His recent actions also cost near-term ad-revenue, thereby further amplifying losses. And so is that. > As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. Why not? I mean, maybe it'll keep existing for a while still, but given how it's starting, how is it going to get any better? It seems clear that the current trend is steeply downhill. So anybody who thinks alternatives are needed would do well starting to look for them, or starting to work on one.
    - macspoofing 4y ago
      >That's incompetence It may well be. I guess it's a question of semantics. To me his ability to afford a money-losing company is the salient factor, not his chaotic early tenure as 'Chief Twit'. >> As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. >Why not? 1. Because none of his actions are irreversible. 2. If he acted responsibility, he still would be running a company that is losing billions (plus the extra debt he saddled it with) in a terrible economic climate. I don’t think he can afford it.
      - dale_glass 4y ago
standardUser 4y ago
Every word of that is seething with a deep hatred for people you have never met.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  If they're "seething," what are you doing?
  - standardUser 4y ago
    I don't know, but why don't you ask a leading question about it instead of actually making a point?

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KerrAvon 4y ago

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macspoofing 4y ago
To be fair - OP isn't wrong. There has been a lot of "pearl-clutching" about nothing-burger issues since 2016. This era has throwbacks to the 80s moral-majority/church-lady culture, with a sprinkling of "The Satanic Panic" and "McCarthyism".
- bedhead 4y ago
  Yup. Everything flipped. The left is the new religious right only on steroids.
bedhead 4y ago
There is no right wing media ecosystem. There is Fox, which I’ve literally never once in my life watched and have made fun of for two decades. Then there are a bunch of rinky-dink outlets no one even knows. There is however, a giant, ubiquitous, controlling ecosystem of liberal media and news and information outlets who we all used to rely on for being at least pretty much objective which I’ve grown insanely f-ing sick of and find beyond disgraceful (they’re all now far worse and more shameful than Fox ever was) since around 2016

dale_glass 4y ago

Oh fine, I'll articulate why. Musk doesn't know what he has bought. He seems to think it's a technology company. It's not. It's an advertising business mixed up with a social platform. Those don't require lots of brains, in fact Twitter is already built and works. The what the likes of Twitter require to be successful is the willingness to carefully navigate a bunch of minefields and come up with compromises that make nobody happy, but keep trouble at a minimum. Musk is obviously incapable of doing this. He just started, and immediately spooked the advertisers. Then he started whining, and threatening both advertisers and his own employees, apparently not realizing that he has no real power over either. It's clear that Twitter is going down the drain sooner or later because Musk exceeded the limits of his competence. At this rate I expect him to be hit with fat fines from the EU, demands from various other countries to comply with their rules, piss off advertisers, run into trouble with illegal content of various kinds, and have stability issues and security exploits. It's not that it offends me so much to have a conservative driven platform. It's that the man is clearly incompetent and flailing, and as amusing as that is to watch, it's clear the platform won't survive it so alternatives are needed.

macspoofing 4y ago
>It's clear that Twitter is going down the drain sooner or later because Musk exceeded the limits of his competence. I don't think it's a question of competence. Musk bought a company that was already losing billions, and saddled it with debt and billions of interest payments per year. His recent actions also cost near-term ad-revenue loss, thereby further amplifying losses. As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. The problem is that he actually cannot afford to float Twitter until such time that the company becomes profitable (if ever). Hence the drastic cost-cutting measures.
- dale_glass 4y ago
  > I don't think it's a question of competence. Musk bought a company that was already losing billions, and saddled it with debt and billions of interest payments per year. That's incompetence > His recent actions also cost near-term ad-revenue, thereby further amplifying losses. And so is that. > As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. Why not? I mean, maybe it'll keep existing for a while still, but given how it's starting, how is it going to get any better? It seems clear that the current trend is steeply downhill. So anybody who thinks alternatives are needed would do well starting to look for them, or starting to work on one.
  - macspoofing 4y ago
    >That's incompetence It may well be. I guess it's a question of semantics. To me his ability to afford a money-losing company is the salient factor, not his chaotic early tenure as 'Chief Twit'. >> As bad as those things are, in-and-of themselves, they don't represent an existential crisis. >Why not? 1. Because none of his actions are irreversible. 2. If he acted responsibility, he still would be running a company that is losing billions (plus the extra debt he saddled it with) in a terrible economic climate. I don’t think he can afford it.
    - dale_glass 4y ago

standardUser 4y ago

Every word of that is seething with a deep hatred for people you have never met.

pessimizer 4y ago
If they're "seething," what are you doing?
- standardUser 4y ago
  I don't know, but why don't you ask a leading question about it instead of actually making a point?