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See, you're arguing that Rust is putting seatbelts in racecars, when what is really happening is you're replacing racecars that have no seatbelts with Corollas

See, you're arguing that Rust is putting seatbelts in racecars, when what is really happening is you're replacing racecars that have no seatbelts with Corollas that have seatbelts. We agree though that adding memory safety to C would be the equivalent of racecars with seatbelts.

pkulak 4y ago
Bit of a stretch to call Rust a Corolla. A lot of the time they both compile to equivalent assembly, and when they don't, the run-time performance is usually very close.
- optymizer 4y ago
  Sure, let's be more accurate. Replace the Corolla with BrandNewCarX. How do you know the engine won't blow up 5 laps into the race? You objectively can't know, because the only way to find out is to perform extensive testing over a long period of time, so as far as I'm concerned whoever is adding Rust into the kernel is making the kernel a testbed for Rust and if it doesn't go as planned, everyone will be paying the price. Since Rust is already in the kernel, I hope all the Rust fans are right about it.
  - nicoburns 4y ago
    > How do you know the engine won't blow up 5 laps into the race? You objectively can't know, because the only way to find out is to perform extensive testing over a long period of time Well it's been 6 years since Rust 1.0 was released. And it's had extensive adoption over that time period, including in projects used in vast numbers of devices and services. Firefox runs on Rust, Dropbox runs on Rust, AWS and Cloudflare are both using Rust for core services. Android is shipping Rust. Microsoft is looking at adopting it in Windows. What would count as a long time for you?
    - optymizer 4y ago
      If I look at Perl, I'd say about 25 years. People were equally excited about it at the time. It took a few decades for everyone to agree it's a net negative to use it in a project, even though it's still very good at what it does.
      - nicoburns 4y ago
        That metric would disqualify C too, no?
        optymizer 4y ago
        No, C has been around for about 50 years, depending on your tolerance for ISO standards.
      - nequo 4y ago
        What programming language have people stayed excited about for 25 years?
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  - kajaktum 4y ago
    > How do you know the engine won't blow up 5 laps into the race? Lol you do realise this is a dunk on C right? 40 years of experience and we have seen all kinds of stupid shit written by very smart people. Just imagine if the kernel wasn’t written in C and someone wants to introduce C instead.

pkulak 4y ago

Bit of a stretch to call Rust a Corolla. A lot of the time they both compile to equivalent assembly, and when they don't, the run-time performance is usually very close.

optymizer 4y ago
Sure, let's be more accurate. Replace the Corolla with BrandNewCarX. How do you know the engine won't blow up 5 laps into the race? You objectively can't know, because the only way to find out is to perform extensive testing over a long period of time, so as far as I'm concerned whoever is adding Rust into the kernel is making the kernel a testbed for Rust and if it doesn't go as planned, everyone will be paying the price. Since Rust is already in the kernel, I hope all the Rust fans are right about it.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  > How do you know the engine won't blow up 5 laps into the race? You objectively can't know, because the only way to find out is to perform extensive testing over a long period of time Well it's been 6 years since Rust 1.0 was released. And it's had extensive adoption over that time period, including in projects used in vast numbers of devices and services. Firefox runs on Rust, Dropbox runs on Rust, AWS and Cloudflare are both using Rust for core services. Android is shipping Rust. Microsoft is looking at adopting it in Windows. What would count as a long time for you?
  - optymizer 4y ago
    If I look at Perl, I'd say about 25 years. People were equally excited about it at the time. It took a few decades for everyone to agree it's a net negative to use it in a project, even though it's still very good at what it does.
    - nicoburns 4y ago
      That metric would disqualify C too, no?
      - optymizer 4y ago
        No, C has been around for about 50 years, depending on your tolerance for ISO standards.
    - nequo 4y ago
      What programming language have people stayed excited about for 25 years?
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- kajaktum 4y ago
  > How do you know the engine won't blow up 5 laps into the race? Lol you do realise this is a dunk on C right? 40 years of experience and we have seen all kinds of stupid shit written by very smart people. Just imagine if the kernel wasn’t written in C and someone wants to introduce C instead.