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Huh? There are a TON of local laws that would be enforced to prevent the overloading and devastation of local resources, in addition to the humans freed having

Huh? There are a TON of local laws that would be enforced to prevent the overloading and devastation of local resources, in addition to the humans freed having common sense and being able to communicate and integrate into existing society without destroying it. Have you ever tried that with wild animals... that are now ostensibly much more difficult to track and have no self-control or concept of longterm preservation? This doesn't even make sense as humans wouldn't devastate the local environment in an uncontrolled fashion the way new animals would.

lapinot 4y ago
> This doesn't even make sense as humans wouldn't devastate the local environment in an uncontrolled fashion the way new animals would. The current world would beg to differ.. Do you realize that you are using human exceptionalism as an assumption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exceptionalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exceptionalism)? And that you cannot hope to counter-argue on an ALF-inspired action by using the exact concept that their political stance is built against? To counter-argue you gotta start with a common ground, and your hypothesis are not in any way a common ground against that. The whole point of this thing is that there is a continuum space (not even a line) between rock, human, dog, forest, mushroom colony, dolphin, beetle, ant, ... and that tons of animals are actually pretty near from us or even quite further in several aspects. There is no human exception (or perhaps the human exception is to think there is!).
- darkwizard42 4y ago
  The human exception is that we would be CHECKED by the existing humans VERY quickly. Way more quickly than what happens in a natural environment. Invasive species overwhelm and surprise local fauna and flora. "invasive" humans or new entrants into the space wouldn't overwhelm local humans due to the infrastructure we have built. There is actual exceptional characteristics here.

lapinot 4y ago

> This doesn't even make sense as humans wouldn't devastate the local environment in an uncontrolled fashion the way new animals would. The current world would beg to differ.. Do you realize that you are using human exceptionalism as an assumption (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exceptionalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exceptionalism)? And that you cannot hope to counter-argue on an ALF-inspired action by using the exact concept that their political stance is built against? To counter-argue you gotta start with a common ground, and your hypothesis are not in any way a common ground against that. The whole point of this thing is that there is a continuum space (not even a line) between rock, human, dog, forest, mushroom colony, dolphin, beetle, ant, ... and that tons of animals are actually pretty near from us or even quite further in several aspects. There is no human exception (or perhaps the human exception is to think there is!).

darkwizard42 4y ago
The human exception is that we would be CHECKED by the existing humans VERY quickly. Way more quickly than what happens in a natural environment. Invasive species overwhelm and surprise local fauna and flora. "invasive" humans or new entrants into the space wouldn't overwhelm local humans due to the infrastructure we have built. There is actual exceptional characteristics here.