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> It's obviously entertainment. it's not obvious to me at all, in France it's used by islamist organisations to push for communitarianism and separatism, I don

> It's obviously entertainment. it's not obvious to me at all, in France it's used by islamist organisations to push for communitarianism and separatism, I don't call that entertainment https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/de-youtube-a-tiktok-ces-influenceurs-musulmans-qui-prechent-l-islam-integral-et-branche-20220823 https://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/de-youtube-a-tiktok... https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/france/111122/ados-en-abaya-sur-tiktok-ces-videos-qui-ont-mis-le-gouvernement-en-ebullition https://www.mediapart.fr/journal/france/111122/ados-en-abaya... https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2019/10/23/de-la-propagande-pour-l-etat-islamique-detectee-sur-l-application-tiktok_6016607_4408996.html https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2019/10/23/de-la-propa...

Tenoke 4y ago
By that logic paintings aren't art because the Soviets made some for propaganda purposes.
- lm28469 4y ago
  ISIS decapitation videos aren't cinema, yet they're videos, the medium doesn't matter, what matters is the message. Unless you want to show ISIS decapitation video at Cannes ? If you want to play on words we can do that all day long, the problem is that it doesn't change the reality, and the reality is that like any other medium it's used for nefarious things, the second problem is that modern technology enables a small amount of people to have an increasingly greater reach and larger audience with fewer and fewer restrictions If you can't see the difference between a soviet era propaganda painting and a 24/7 tool behing used 45 to 90 minute every single day on average by millions of kids/teenagers in their formative years I just feel sad for you to be honest. I can kill someone with a fork, I can kill someone with a 100mt nuke, will you argue they are the same ?
lzooz 4y ago
I'd blame France for their immigration policies more than I would blame a platform full of user-generated content
- lm28469 4y ago
  Feel free to elaborate on this cryptic comment
  - lzooz 4y ago
    France allowed particular demographics to come to the country until they reached a critical mass and became dangerous. That shouldn't have happened.

Tenoke 4y ago

By that logic paintings aren't art because the Soviets made some for propaganda purposes.

lm28469 4y ago
ISIS decapitation videos aren't cinema, yet they're videos, the medium doesn't matter, what matters is the message. Unless you want to show ISIS decapitation video at Cannes ? If you want to play on words we can do that all day long, the problem is that it doesn't change the reality, and the reality is that like any other medium it's used for nefarious things, the second problem is that modern technology enables a small amount of people to have an increasingly greater reach and larger audience with fewer and fewer restrictions If you can't see the difference between a soviet era propaganda painting and a 24/7 tool behing used 45 to 90 minute every single day on average by millions of kids/teenagers in their formative years I just feel sad for you to be honest. I can kill someone with a fork, I can kill someone with a 100mt nuke, will you argue they are the same ?

lzooz 4y ago

I'd blame France for their immigration policies more than I would blame a platform full of user-generated content

lm28469 4y ago
Feel free to elaborate on this cryptic comment
- lzooz 4y ago
  France allowed particular demographics to come to the country until they reached a critical mass and became dangerous. That shouldn't have happened.