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Surveillance isn't the primary issue. INFLUENCE OPERATIONS is. China's ability to direct content to achieve their strategic goals, and to do so at a very granul

Surveillance isn't the primary issue. INFLUENCE OPERATIONS is. China's ability to direct content to achieve their strategic goals, and to do so at a very granular level, is too great a risk. Its not the only property with this capability (cough, 4chan/pol/, cough), but its by far the largest.

pjc50 4y ago
Aren't influence operations free speech? (thread locked after 1,397,957 comments)
- howmayiannoyyou 4y ago
  Yes. So is yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre. Nothing is without limits, and with out limits we are nothing.
  - QuarterReptile 4y ago
    >So is yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre. A course of action so blatantly legal that a Supreme Court Justice used it as an example for what is clearly allowed, dislikeable though it may be. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_t...
- zip1234 4y ago
  There is no right for foreign governments to have free speech in the US. If they are outside of the US they do not get US rights.
CyanBird 4y ago
> China's Tiktok is not China, Tiktok is owned by a private company All the arguments that you are using can be successful leveraged against any Inqtel funded private company (of which there are plenty), so I'd recommend you to speak in a measured way
- sgu999 4y ago
  In China, private companies large enough cannot operate without a fair amount of control and involvement of some layer of the CCP. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...
- xadhominemx 4y ago
  Absolutely not. China is an authoritarian state with no rule of law other than what the CCP says goes. There are no meaningful firewalls between corporate operations and the Chinese government.

pjc50 4y ago

Aren't influence operations free speech? (thread locked after 1,397,957 comments)

howmayiannoyyou 4y ago
Yes. So is yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre. Nothing is without limits, and with out limits we are nothing.
- QuarterReptile 4y ago
  >So is yelling 'fire' in a crowded theatre. A course of action so blatantly legal that a Supreme Court Justice used it as an example for what is clearly allowed, dislikeable though it may be. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_theater https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_t...
zip1234 4y ago
There is no right for foreign governments to have free speech in the US. If they are outside of the US they do not get US rights.

CyanBird 4y ago

> China's Tiktok is not China, Tiktok is owned by a private company All the arguments that you are using can be successful leveraged against any Inqtel funded private company (of which there are plenty), so I'd recommend you to speak in a measured way

sgu999 4y ago
In China, private companies large enough cannot operate without a fair amount of control and involvement of some layer of the CCP. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business-xi-jinping-communist-party-state-private-enterprise-huawei https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/jul/25/china-business...
xadhominemx 4y ago
Absolutely not. China is an authoritarian state with no rule of law other than what the CCP says goes. There are no meaningful firewalls between corporate operations and the Chinese government.