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The fact that's it's a tiny, monocultured, de facto ethnostate with near universal shared values, ethics, and history.
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The fact that's it's a tiny, monocultured, de facto ethnostate with near universal shared values, ethics, and history.
- alexb_ 4y agoHow do you think it being a "de facto ethnostate" changes things? Please be specific.
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoDifferent people, values, principles, ethics, concerns; all of which echo in life choices. Finland is going to have a fraction of the gangs, drug problem, and corruption as the United States by virtue of its size, geography, and choices that people who live there will make. You can't even compare Finland with LA or NYC, forget the whole United States. It is pointless to do so. If you want to examine a specific example, ask yourself how many Chicago-style street gangs exist in Finland.
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- themitigating 4y agoThere is less crime in finland. Why? You said "Different people, values, principles, ethics, concerns; all of which echo in life choices" Isn't crime mostly connected to economic situations? Doesn't Finland have more social services than the US. Doesn't UBI help people who might otherwise turn to crime
- suggestion 4y agoWhat inclines Finland to overwhelmingly support those policies, voluntarily give up significant portions of their own income, and trust that the state will not misappropriate them?
- themitigating 4y agoIf my car is broken into and my laptop is stolen is that lost income? If someone is raped and has to live with that mental scar is that a loss? You're assuming taxes on income are the only way to lose money. We all pay for the effects of crime. We pay for the police, we pay higher health insurance for others injuries, etc Considering Finland is the highest ranked country for happiness, has a low crime rate, social nets, and universal health care I think copying them is a smart move even to try it. The main problem is the traitor evangelicals who wield power here while they use the government for money and contributing little the economy. They're are filth that we need to clean up first before we can improve this country
- suggestion 4y agoI didn't assume that. You didn't answer the question.
- themitigating 4y agoI'll be more direct. The majority decided that paying higher taxes is worth the benefits.
- suggestion 4y agoThat still doesn't answer the question Why did they decide that and why do they trust the receipts of those benefits to use them appropriately?
- feet 4y ago
- suggestion 4y agoWhere does far-right conservative propaganda come from?
- feet 4y agoFirst we should ask if Finland has a history of racial segregation and oppressing people with a certain skin color
- suggestion 4y agoThey have a long standing, shared cultural history and value system that is ingrained into the every day lives of the society. Like it or not, the overwhelming majority of human history and culture is ethnocentric. It should not be a surprise that the ethnic values, ethics, and ways of living continue to be the dominant force in an area that has remained the same demographically for centuries. That's not to say the culture, values, and ethics are inextricably bound to the ethnicity, but it is without a doubt a vehicle for sustainment and major factor in policy success or failure.
- Mordisquitos 4y agoFinland is emphatically not a mono-ethnic state [0]. Not only are there areas which are bilingual Swedish/Finnish, but there are even communities (such as the island of Åland) which are monolingual in Swedish [1]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Finland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Finland [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Finland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Finland
- suggestion 4y agoFinland is over 90% ethnically Finnish. The total Swedish speaking population is ~5%. The majority also consider themselves ethnically Finnish https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-speaking_population_of_Finland https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-speaking_population_...
- easytiger 4y agoalternatively, how do you think it isn't relevant?
- themitigating 4y agoYou have to show it's relevant not the other way around.
- pavlov 4y agoIt's not exactly tiny (5.5M people and a land area larger than Arizona). It's not a monoculture either with a history of multiple ethnicities, diverse languages and a sequence of foreign rulers from both East and West. The Swedish-speaking minority was dominant in Finland until the early 20th century and it was part of the Russian empire. If anything, Finland is a lesson in how a disparate group of people in the poorest corner of Europe can come together, say "Looks like we're a country now, how do we want to do this thing?" and succeed.
- suggestion 4y agoFinland exists because an ethnic group remained distinct while a part of Sweden and broke off into their own country. It's one of the most ethnically and culturally homogeneous countries on the planet at >90% Finnish. https://www.britannica.com/place/Finland/Cultural-life https://www.britannica.com/place/Finland/Cultural-life
- themitigating 4y agoDo you think if I kept asking you to explain more I could trick you into revealing you're just racist towards black people?
- suggestion 4y agoI have no idea how you got here, where you're going, but I'm not falling for your Kafka trap nonsense.
- themitigating 4y agoYou claim ethical values are tied to ethnicity. That's racism
- suggestion 4y agoI explicitly stated they aren't, and that's the most bad faith take possible. I said it is the primary vehicle by which they are transmitted for all of human history, which is a fact. Where did Nazi culture and values come from? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33654481 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33654481
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- themitigating 4y ago"That's not to say the culture, values, and ethics are inextricably bound to the ethnicity, but it is without a doubt a vehicle for sustainment and major factor in policy success or failure." Perhaps I read this wrong, what is a vehicle for whether a policy is successful or a failure? EDIT: I just realized what you meant. Ethical values are transmitted through culture but whether they are followed isn't.
- suggestion 4y agoI worded it very poorly. Ethnicity is, historically, the primary vehicle for the sustainment of culture, values, and ethics. The degree of homogeneity of culture, values, and ethics are a major factor in policy success or failure. Therefore, an ethnically homogeneous area is much more likely to have homogeneous culture, values, and ethics and policies that reflect those things. Sometimes, that homogeneity entails characteristics that lead to a generous, happy, high trust, flourishing society, like Finland. Sometimes it leads to Nazi Germany.