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I think their strategy is more insidious than that. Chinese social media inside China is actively directing youth towards vigorous / productive / pedagogical en

I think their strategy is more insidious than that. Chinese social media inside China is actively directing youth towards vigorous / productive / pedagogical endeavours, whereas ticktock outside China heavily promotes pointless endless innane naval gazing such as pranking, gaming, influencers etc. They seek to create a generation of feckless know nothings in The West.

mc32 4y ago
Yep, shore up your own and undermine your enemy. Promote strength, work ethic, and achievement at home and promote idleness, listlessness and parasitic attitudes for the enemy.
dbsmith83 4y ago
> Chinese social media inside China is actively directing youth towards vigorous / productive / pedagogical endeavours, whereas ticktock outside China heavily promotes pointless endless innane naval gazing such as pranking, gaming, influencers etc. This would be interesting if true. Do you have any sources for this or is it just an observation?
nemothekid 4y ago
It's hard to call this a strategy when the reason TikTok operates the way it does in China is due to regulation. Instagram reels promotes the same garbage, does the CCP direct Meta as well? If you tried to push for the same kind of social media regulation in the US, the internet would shut down in protest.
PheonixPharts 4y ago
> social media inside China is actively directing youth towards vigorous / productive / pedagogical I have a fair number of friends/relatives living in China and at least from what I've seen this is a pretty laughable claim. Very curious where you heard this from? TikTok in China is different than the US in that it is increasingly inundated with various "get rich quick" schemes. It's essentially turned into large scale social advertising platform where everyone is trying to pitch some angle to make a quick RBM. I'm sure there exist some "vigorous / productive / pedagogical" accounts, but there are plenty of this in the US as well. There are a lot of accounts in the US that focus on learning, exercise, getting a software job etc. Again, would love to hear your source of this information, especially if it's first hand experience, because based on the people I talk with in mainland China this comment sounds like a very off the mark hot take.
somedude895 4y ago
> ticktock outside China heavily promotes pointless endless innane naval gazing such as pranking, gaming, influencers etc. Have you ever seen the type of content that's popular on Instagram and Youtube? The CCP doesn't need some "insidious plan" to push that to the top.
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  "Hey guys, it's Mr. Beast about to fight Jake Paul in a boxing ring made of ferraris!" The YT Algorithm is much more spammy when it comes to influencer content that I never click on. Whereas my Tiktok is chock full of interesting art, design, music, and programming.
the_only_law 4y ago
> naval gazing such as pranking, gaming, influencers etc Yes surely none of this existed in western entertainment before TikTok and was all concocted by the the Chinese in a grand conspiracy to bring down the US. At this point I’m trying to figure out who’s better at contrived cartoon supervillain plans according to HN: Musk or China.
nemo44x 4y ago
> They seek to create a generation of feckless know nothings in The West. We’re doing that just fine on our own.

mc32 4y ago

Yep, shore up your own and undermine your enemy. Promote strength, work ethic, and achievement at home and promote idleness, listlessness and parasitic attitudes for the enemy.

dbsmith83 4y ago

> Chinese social media inside China is actively directing youth towards vigorous / productive / pedagogical endeavours, whereas ticktock outside China heavily promotes pointless endless innane naval gazing such as pranking, gaming, influencers etc. This would be interesting if true. Do you have any sources for this or is it just an observation?

nemothekid 4y ago

It's hard to call this a strategy when the reason TikTok operates the way it does in China is due to regulation. Instagram reels promotes the same garbage, does the CCP direct Meta as well? If you tried to push for the same kind of social media regulation in the US, the internet would shut down in protest.

PheonixPharts 4y ago

> social media inside China is actively directing youth towards vigorous / productive / pedagogical I have a fair number of friends/relatives living in China and at least from what I've seen this is a pretty laughable claim. Very curious where you heard this from? TikTok in China is different than the US in that it is increasingly inundated with various "get rich quick" schemes. It's essentially turned into large scale social advertising platform where everyone is trying to pitch some angle to make a quick RBM. I'm sure there exist some "vigorous / productive / pedagogical" accounts, but there are plenty of this in the US as well. There are a lot of accounts in the US that focus on learning, exercise, getting a software job etc. Again, would love to hear your source of this information, especially if it's first hand experience, because based on the people I talk with in mainland China this comment sounds like a very off the mark hot take.

somedude895 4y ago

> ticktock outside China heavily promotes pointless endless innane naval gazing such as pranking, gaming, influencers etc. Have you ever seen the type of content that's popular on Instagram and Youtube? The CCP doesn't need some "insidious plan" to push that to the top.

yamazakiwi 4y ago
"Hey guys, it's Mr. Beast about to fight Jake Paul in a boxing ring made of ferraris!" The YT Algorithm is much more spammy when it comes to influencer content that I never click on. Whereas my Tiktok is chock full of interesting art, design, music, and programming.

the_only_law 4y ago

> naval gazing such as pranking, gaming, influencers etc Yes surely none of this existed in western entertainment before TikTok and was all concocted by the the Chinese in a grand conspiracy to bring down the US. At this point I’m trying to figure out who’s better at contrived cartoon supervillain plans according to HN: Musk or China.

nemo44x 4y ago

> They seek to create a generation of feckless know nothings in The West. We’re doing that just fine on our own.