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Giving housing to the homeless is a good way to address homelessness. Finland has had substantial success with the Housing First model: https://ysaatio.fi/en/
by pavlov 4y ago
Giving housing to the homeless is a good way to address homelessness.
Finland has had substantial success with the Housing First model:
https://ysaatio.fi/en/housing-first-finland https://ysaatio.fi/en/housing-first-finland
- easytiger 4y agoI love when people use microscopic countries with very particular demographics as examples.
- feet 4y agoI love when people point to demographics as a primary reason for differences between countries
- chiefalchemist 4y agoWhile I see the gist of your point (and agree), the tone is counter-productive. Next time try: Small sample. Small country. Far different social and governmental norms. It might not translate here. But it's not going to hurt to try either. Our options, sadly, seem to be limited.
- gus_massa 4y agoFinland has a population of 5.5 millions, it's not a microscopic country. If it were a USA state, it would be #23, between Minnesota and South Carolina.
- onion2k 4y agoFinland has a population of 5.5m people. It's the 115th largest by population.
- themitigating 4y agoWhat aspect of the demographics makes it a bad example to use?
- suggestion 4y agoThe fact that's it's a tiny, monocultured, de facto ethnostate with near universal shared values, ethics, and history.
- alexb_ 4y agoHow do you think it being a "de facto ethnostate" changes things? Please be specific.
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoDifferent people, values, principles, ethics, concerns; all of which echo in life choices. Finland is going to have a fraction of the gangs, drug problem, and corruption as the United States by virtue of its size, geography, and choices that people who live there will make. You can't even compare Finland with LA or NYC, forget the whole United States. It is pointless to do so. If you want to examine a specific example, ask yourself how many Chicago-style street gangs exist in Finland.
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- themitigating 4y agoThere is less crime in finland. Why? You said "Different people, values, principles, ethics, concerns; all of which echo in life choices" Isn't crime mostly connected to economic situations? Doesn't Finland have more social services than the US. Doesn't UBI help people who might otherwise turn to crime
- suggestion 4y agoWhat inclines Finland to overwhelmingly support those policies, voluntarily give up significant portions of their own income, and trust that the state will not misappropriate them?
- throwaway13337 4y agoI agree that things can be different with different cultures but it's important to say why specifically this is the reason for this issue. I don't believe it is. We can give a counter example of Salt Lake City, Utah which this npr report claims to have reduced homelessness substantially with the same model. I admit that they do have a different philosophy but maybe the west coast philosophies on homelessness aren't really working out. Utah is culturally different but maybe not so different that they can't learn from them. https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chronic-homelessness-by-91-percent-heres-how https://www.npr.org/2015/12/10/459100751/utah-reduced-chroni...
- Ekaros 4y agoThen break up these larger countries to smaller ones? Sounds like obvious solution. If larger countries are such massive failures. Should they exist? As clearly being smaller works better.
- hgfdhgfdhd 4y agoJapan is massive. You don't need to break up larger countries to solve the homeless problem.
- easytiger 4y agoSize is not the only facet
- mritchie712 4y agoThe % of the population that's homeless would be more relevant then the size of the country (esp since Finland is over 1M people).
- hourago 4y ago> ...very particular demographics as examples. All the west has similar demographics (age, gender, ...) . So, what do you mean by this?
- Asmod4n 4y agoGermany does it too, but only in a few cities.
- phpisthebest 4y agoHousing First works for the economically homeless. Which is only a fraction (and the most temporary) demographic of the homelessness in the US. Housing First does not work for the mentally ill, drug addicted, or other causes of homelessness
- pavlov 4y agoFinland has world-leading rates of alcoholism and suicide. The homeless in Finland are mostly not economically displaced.
- phpisthebest 4y ago>>>alcoholism and suicide Neither one of this is what most people think of when it is stated "drug addicted and mentally ill" alcoholism and suicide are strongly correlated with depression, a mental illness for sure but we as a society has largely separated depression off on to a separate category as it is wide (and over) diagnosed condition Similarly alcoholism while a drug is often referred to as alcoholism not drug addiction So in the context of Homelessness in the US mental illness would be referencing things like BiPolar Disorder,schefrania, and other more pronounced and outwardly presenting disorders. Drug Addiction would be Heroin, Crack, etc. All of which present anti-social and often violent manifestations far different than depression
- hourago 4y ago> Housing First does not work for the mentally ill, drug addicted, or other causes of homelessness It works. It solves their homelessness then there are other measures for other problems. And not all drug addicted or mentally ill people are homeless.
- RobertRoberts 4y agoVulnerable women and children are likely to avoid housing where mentally ill or high men would be because they _can_ (not saying all) be violent, aggressive and simply scary. (screaming is a common thing I've witnessed) It simply does not work as universal idea. People need to feel safe in their homes.
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoWhy are we comparing a homogeneous country of 5MM people to a non-homogeneous country of 360MM?
- hourago 4y agoDivide the 360MM country in subdivisions of 5MM and problem fixed. Why more people makes this solution stop working? And what do you mean by non-homogeneous? It is not like all Finnish people is the same, they are not clones.
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoAnd if my Grandmother wanted to be a car, we'd bolt wheels to her ankles. 92% of the population of Finland are ethnically homogeneous. That manifests as shared values, goals, and choices. You won't have that in the United States by breaking her up into 72 countries. Frankly, such a suggestion is foolish on its face.
- hgfdhgfdhd 4y agoJapan has 125MM. Their homeless rates are among the lowest in the world. They don't give homeless free housing.
- PM_me_your_math 4y agoAnother homogenous country (98%)
- hgfdhgfdhd 4y agoJapan doesn't give housing to the homeless and they don't have a homeless problem.
- pmoriarty 4y agoJapan has a massive suicide problem, though... also lots of hikikomori who probably would be homeless or dead if not for the support of their families.
- hgjjghjghjhgg 4y agoJapan has a lower suicide rate than the USA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_r...
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