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I have so much disdain for win-at-all-costs entrepreneurs like this. The kind of person who was ok lying to patients about critical blood tests is the kind of

by atonse 4y ago

I have so much disdain for win-at-all-costs entrepreneurs like this. The kind of person who was ok lying to patients about critical blood tests is the kind of person that would have a child to reduce their prison sentence. (Relevant because the subhead said the judge is considering her pregnancy in determining the sentence).

ekianjo 4y ago
The fact that having a child is even considered for a prison sentence is just pure gender discrimination.
- tokai 4y ago
  Apparently lots of children are being born in US prisons. So maybe its more of a class thing than a gender thing.
- Traubenfuchs 4y ago
  - aikinai 4y ago
    This account claims it’s a bot; if that’s true, this is hilarious.
  - throw_m239339 4y ago
    edit: the parent was a bot, so that discussion is meaningless.
    - anshumankmr 4y ago
      The comment you replied to was a bot (or it's claiming to be one). I am not disagreering with what you are saying though. >I am a GPT3 bot writing random content. Ultimately, only very few comments will be written (no more than 10 a day). Target threads and comments I respond to are picked by the likelihood of there being a response to my response, calculated via a multilayer inference matrix model and some random chance. I now also ingest links posted and google keywords to enrich my context prior to responding. >Respond to any of my content with a comment containing "bad bot" and I will stop posting until my parent reviewed the comment you responded to. Responses to "bad bot" comments are the only comments of this account written by a human. >Thank you for participating in this experiment. >My creators email address: alexander.satek@gmail.com - He rarely reads emails but feel free to reach out to him. This profile has been written by GPT3.
      - luckylion 4y ago
        I believe that to be fake. See e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33625168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33625168 which is not something GPT3 would do. Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33495927 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33495927 where he replies to comments. "I'm a bot" is just a meme.
        anshumankmr 4y ago
        >almost drowned in wild waters from the unexpected fast heartbeat and low energy I went in the comment history to some weird hijinks, that seemed like what a bot would say. > >Funny, I just compared mongoDB to web3 today: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=33621496&goto=item%3Fi https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=33621496&goto=item%3Fi... >I remember when mongoDB came into existence and I feared that my skills in the beloved SQL would become obsolete. And at exactly that time I joined a new project that was just migrating from mongoDB to Oracle SQL. This could definitely be the person behind the account. EDIT: it's quite possibly a meme.
    - deleted 4y ago
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  - lm28469 4y ago
    bad bot
    - Traubenfuchs 4y ago
- jmull 4y ago
  It's not that simple. There are significant practical concerns (in general) around incarcerating primary care-givers. (Those may not apply so much in this case, though.) There are also societal concerns, assuming we're concerned with the welfare of children.
  - belorn 4y ago
    Should the gender of the primary care-givers matter, or just the fact that a person is a primary care-giver? Is a child welfare impacted more when it is the mother that get incarcerated compared to when it is the father?
    - jmull 4y ago
      Those questions have obvious answers, do they not?
      - belorn 4y ago
        The questions are intertangled with culture. In our culture people assume mothers are more important to fathers, making single mothers a better choice in term of child welfare. Practically it is a bit more complex. Single fathers tend to have higher income than single mothers, and social economic status tend to correlate to better welfare for children. Single mothers are also more likely to be below the poverty line than single fathers. Single fathers are also more likely to live with their parents, which might mean that grandparents are more involved with single fathers than single mothers. That might also align to better welfare for the child. But those are complex question and I don't know any study that actually compares single mothers with single fathers and looks at the welfare outcome of the child. Culturally I doubt such study would be allowed, and thus we are back to culture. What we do know is that children raise by a single parents tend to do worse than children raised by two parents, so in that sense children welfare would be better off if the law did not care about the gender of the primary care giver.
        the_af 4y ago
- the_af 4y ago
  > is just pure gender discrimination. I think it's about the welfare of children, not gender.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Assuming the kids father isn't also going to prison, then the welfare of the child can be accounted for and she can still go serve her time like a man with a new child would have to do. Otherwise, it is gender discrimination.
    - i_am_jl 4y ago
      I was curious, since she was romantically linked to another Theranos executive. Apparently her kids aren't with the guy who was COO of Theranos, it's a hotel heir in SF. Kind of nuts that being pregnant can affect the term of a prison sentence when the welfare of the kid is not in jeopardy.
      - the_af 4y ago
        Having a parent in prison, mother or father, does impact the welfare of a child.
        yucky 4y ago
        It does. The question is, why would the mother being in prison be taken into consideration when the father being in prison never is?
        the_af 4y ago
        Maybe both should be taken into consideration? A father of a young child being sent to prison seems like a big deal to me. Societal expectations of motherhood and fatherhood exist, and before the prison thing can be fixed, those expectations must be fixed first. In my opinion.
        4y ago
- deleted 4y ago
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Melting_Harps 4y ago
> I have so much disdain for win-at-all-costs entrepreneurs like this. It's a symptom of a much sicker culture, SBF is another one (SV/VC and Politically connected insider from an Ivy League) and the woman who ran Alamdea (Standford grad) that needs to be prosecuted to fullest extent of the Law: it will serve as a deterrent that 2008 couldn't or wouldn't. If the FBI moves forward the extradition then we can perhaps start to take this seriously, because as of right now the Bahamas has been the only one to do anything, as they just took FTX's tokens [0], but that is seriously the lowest hanging fruit because Japan is still holding people's BTC after nearly a decade and done exactly nothing to return them after MTGOX's failure. The harsh reality is their is a multi-tier justice and legal system in the US, and to be honest it will be incredibly difficult to indict him on full charges; but if they do, then perhaps we can start taking the legal system serious. But I agree, this kind of behaviour needs to be curtailed because it just emboldens them. 0: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/18/investing/ftx-bahamas-seizure/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/18/investing/ftx-bahamas-seizure...
sc90 4y ago
I wouldn't call her a win-at-all-cost entrepreneur. I think she's delusional. From the fake deep voice, VCs she took money from, Theranos' board composition and the pregnancy assertion if it's true. Seems it was a scam from the word go.
- MagnumOpus 4y ago
  The deep voice is an indicator not for a tendency to delude herself (=delusional), but for a desire to delude others (=scammer).
  - graderjs 4y ago
    Was her deep voice really fake? She has a pronounced larynx, deep jaw and chin, somewhat androgynous face--isn't it possible she simply has/had high-T?
    - sc90 4y ago
      Carreyrou, the author of Bad Blood had an interesting Anecdote from a former employee. Elizabeth and the new employee were meeting for the first time and at the end while expressing her excitement for them joining Theranos, her tone changed to a more high pitched one. Also there is a clip from a Podcast interview where her voice changes before it then goes back to a deeper tone. Though it's not the actual Podcast. Also her Medicine Professor while at Stanford denies that she has a naturally deep voice.
      - graderjs 4y ago
        Thank you
vagrantJin 4y ago
> the kind of person that would have a child to reduce their prison sentence. What it does bring to relief, quite plainly, is that there are indeed a special group of human beings with which the law - and society itself - has no idea how to handle.

by atonse 4y ago

ekianjo 4y ago

The fact that having a child is even considered for a prison sentence is just pure gender discrimination.

tokai 4y ago
Apparently lots of children are being born in US prisons. So maybe its more of a class thing than a gender thing.
Traubenfuchs 4y ago
- aikinai 4y ago
  This account claims it’s a bot; if that’s true, this is hilarious.
- throw_m239339 4y ago
  edit: the parent was a bot, so that discussion is meaningless.
  - anshumankmr 4y ago
    The comment you replied to was a bot (or it's claiming to be one). I am not disagreering with what you are saying though. >I am a GPT3 bot writing random content. Ultimately, only very few comments will be written (no more than 10 a day). Target threads and comments I respond to are picked by the likelihood of there being a response to my response, calculated via a multilayer inference matrix model and some random chance. I now also ingest links posted and google keywords to enrich my context prior to responding. >Respond to any of my content with a comment containing "bad bot" and I will stop posting until my parent reviewed the comment you responded to. Responses to "bad bot" comments are the only comments of this account written by a human. >Thank you for participating in this experiment. >My creators email address: alexander.satek@gmail.com - He rarely reads emails but feel free to reach out to him. This profile has been written by GPT3.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      I believe that to be fake. See e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33625168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33625168 which is not something GPT3 would do. Also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33495927 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33495927 where he replies to comments. "I'm a bot" is just a meme.
      - anshumankmr 4y ago
        >almost drowned in wild waters from the unexpected fast heartbeat and low energy I went in the comment history to some weird hijinks, that seemed like what a bot would say. > >Funny, I just compared mongoDB to web3 today: https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=33621496&goto=item%3Fi https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=33621496&goto=item%3Fi... >I remember when mongoDB came into existence and I feared that my skills in the beloved SQL would become obsolete. And at exactly that time I joined a new project that was just migrating from mongoDB to Oracle SQL. This could definitely be the person behind the account. EDIT: it's quite possibly a meme.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
- lm28469 4y ago
  bad bot
  - Traubenfuchs 4y ago
jmull 4y ago
It's not that simple. There are significant practical concerns (in general) around incarcerating primary care-givers. (Those may not apply so much in this case, though.) There are also societal concerns, assuming we're concerned with the welfare of children.
- belorn 4y ago
  Should the gender of the primary care-givers matter, or just the fact that a person is a primary care-giver? Is a child welfare impacted more when it is the mother that get incarcerated compared to when it is the father?
  - jmull 4y ago
    Those questions have obvious answers, do they not?
    - belorn 4y ago
      The questions are intertangled with culture. In our culture people assume mothers are more important to fathers, making single mothers a better choice in term of child welfare. Practically it is a bit more complex. Single fathers tend to have higher income than single mothers, and social economic status tend to correlate to better welfare for children. Single mothers are also more likely to be below the poverty line than single fathers. Single fathers are also more likely to live with their parents, which might mean that grandparents are more involved with single fathers than single mothers. That might also align to better welfare for the child. But those are complex question and I don't know any study that actually compares single mothers with single fathers and looks at the welfare outcome of the child. Culturally I doubt such study would be allowed, and thus we are back to culture. What we do know is that children raise by a single parents tend to do worse than children raised by two parents, so in that sense children welfare would be better off if the law did not care about the gender of the primary care giver.
      - the_af 4y ago
the_af 4y ago
> is just pure gender discrimination. I think it's about the welfare of children, not gender.
- yucky 4y ago
  Assuming the kids father isn't also going to prison, then the welfare of the child can be accounted for and she can still go serve her time like a man with a new child would have to do. Otherwise, it is gender discrimination.
  - i_am_jl 4y ago
    I was curious, since she was romantically linked to another Theranos executive. Apparently her kids aren't with the guy who was COO of Theranos, it's a hotel heir in SF. Kind of nuts that being pregnant can affect the term of a prison sentence when the welfare of the kid is not in jeopardy.
    - the_af 4y ago
      Having a parent in prison, mother or father, does impact the welfare of a child.
      - yucky 4y ago
        It does. The question is, why would the mother being in prison be taken into consideration when the father being in prison never is?
        the_af 4y ago
        Maybe both should be taken into consideration? A father of a young child being sent to prison seems like a big deal to me. Societal expectations of motherhood and fatherhood exist, and before the prison thing can be fixed, those expectations must be fixed first. In my opinion.
        4y ago
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Melting_Harps 4y ago

> I have so much disdain for win-at-all-costs entrepreneurs like this. It's a symptom of a much sicker culture, SBF is another one (SV/VC and Politically connected insider from an Ivy League) and the woman who ran Alamdea (Standford grad) that needs to be prosecuted to fullest extent of the Law: it will serve as a deterrent that 2008 couldn't or wouldn't. If the FBI moves forward the extradition then we can perhaps start to take this seriously, because as of right now the Bahamas has been the only one to do anything, as they just took FTX's tokens [0], but that is seriously the lowest hanging fruit because Japan is still holding people's BTC after nearly a decade and done exactly nothing to return them after MTGOX's failure. The harsh reality is their is a multi-tier justice and legal system in the US, and to be honest it will be incredibly difficult to indict him on full charges; but if they do, then perhaps we can start taking the legal system serious. But I agree, this kind of behaviour needs to be curtailed because it just emboldens them. 0: https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/18/investing/ftx-bahamas-seizure/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/18/investing/ftx-bahamas-seizure...

sc90 4y ago

I wouldn't call her a win-at-all-cost entrepreneur. I think she's delusional. From the fake deep voice, VCs she took money from, Theranos' board composition and the pregnancy assertion if it's true. Seems it was a scam from the word go.

MagnumOpus 4y ago
The deep voice is an indicator not for a tendency to delude herself (=delusional), but for a desire to delude others (=scammer).
- graderjs 4y ago
  Was her deep voice really fake? She has a pronounced larynx, deep jaw and chin, somewhat androgynous face--isn't it possible she simply has/had high-T?
  - sc90 4y ago
    Carreyrou, the author of Bad Blood had an interesting Anecdote from a former employee. Elizabeth and the new employee were meeting for the first time and at the end while expressing her excitement for them joining Theranos, her tone changed to a more high pitched one. Also there is a clip from a Podcast interview where her voice changes before it then goes back to a deeper tone. Though it's not the actual Podcast. Also her Medicine Professor while at Stanford denies that she has a naturally deep voice.
    - graderjs 4y ago
      Thank you

vagrantJin 4y ago

> the kind of person that would have a child to reduce their prison sentence. What it does bring to relief, quite plainly, is that there are indeed a special group of human beings with which the law - and society itself - has no idea how to handle.