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I don't think you understand: It has to be USB-C or better. So if USB-D (or a worse name knowing the consortium) comes out, the idea behind the law is that it s

by Acinyx 4y ago

I don't think you understand: It has to be USB-C or better. So if USB-D (or a worse name knowing the consortium) comes out, the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port. IANAL though, so I am unsure how well they legally described that requirement.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port Indian courts are notoriously inefficient. “Better” would take a decade to define through case law. Anyone who can afford that is better served removing physical ports. In any case, I see no evidence of this in current releases [1]. [1] https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1876583 https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1876583
- pretext-1 4y ago
  "Better" is irrelevant to the law, the requirement is a USB standard that's USB-C or newer. Apple is in the USB-IF so they can innovate there together with other vendors.
djbebs 4y ago
So apple doesnt have to change because their ports are already better?
dmitriid 4y ago
> It has to be USB-C or better What's the definition of "better". If Lightning is worse, then based on which criteria?
- Semaphor 4y ago
  > then based on which criteria? Based on "It’s not USB".
marmetio 4y ago
So there's no way for a startup to create a new connector because they'd have to go through the USB implementor's forum.
- piva00 4y ago
  "Think of the startups" is the standard flavour of "think of the children" on Hacker News. No, there's no way for a startup selling handheld mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld videogame consoles, portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds or laptops to invent their own shiny new connector for charging without providing support for USB-C at the same time. What exactly is lost if a startup is not able to shove their proprietary connector instead of using the standard? A startup selling floor lamps can't sell their own proprietary power plug and outlet either.
  - marmetio 4y ago
    > What exactly is lost I know that historically most chargers are just a way to hide the true total cost of ownership. But the electronics industry is now shifting towards innovating in more areas than just shrinking the digital parts. Consumer electronics are a big part of how new stuff gets funded. > A startup selling floor lamps can't sell their own proprietary power plug and outlet either. Nobody forbids them from doing that.
angio 4y ago
IIRC the law just requires the port to be backward compatible with USB-C for charging.
tsol 4y ago
So it still has to be a wire produced by the USB consortium. And if another group comes up with a superior design, then are we just hurdled by regulations? Seems there should at least be a way for another standard to be chosen.

by Acinyx 4y ago

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> the idea behind the law is that it should also be allowed _instead_ of a USB-C port Indian courts are notoriously inefficient. “Better” would take a decade to define through case law. Anyone who can afford that is better served removing physical ports. In any case, I see no evidence of this in current releases [1]. [1] https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1876583 https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1876583

pretext-1 4y ago
"Better" is irrelevant to the law, the requirement is a USB standard that's USB-C or newer. Apple is in the USB-IF so they can innovate there together with other vendors.

djbebs 4y ago

So apple doesnt have to change because their ports are already better?

dmitriid 4y ago

> It has to be USB-C or better What's the definition of "better". If Lightning is worse, then based on which criteria?

Semaphor 4y ago
> then based on which criteria? Based on "It’s not USB".

marmetio 4y ago

So there's no way for a startup to create a new connector because they'd have to go through the USB implementor's forum.

piva00 4y ago
"Think of the startups" is the standard flavour of "think of the children" on Hacker News. No, there's no way for a startup selling handheld mobile phones, tablets, digital cameras, headphones, headsets, handheld videogame consoles, portable speakers, e-readers, keyboards, mice, portable navigation systems, earbuds or laptops to invent their own shiny new connector for charging without providing support for USB-C at the same time. What exactly is lost if a startup is not able to shove their proprietary connector instead of using the standard? A startup selling floor lamps can't sell their own proprietary power plug and outlet either.
- marmetio 4y ago
  > What exactly is lost I know that historically most chargers are just a way to hide the true total cost of ownership. But the electronics industry is now shifting towards innovating in more areas than just shrinking the digital parts. Consumer electronics are a big part of how new stuff gets funded. > A startup selling floor lamps can't sell their own proprietary power plug and outlet either. Nobody forbids them from doing that.

angio 4y ago

IIRC the law just requires the port to be backward compatible with USB-C for charging.

tsol 4y ago

So it still has to be a wire produced by the USB consortium. And if another group comes up with a superior design, then are we just hurdled by regulations? Seems there should at least be a way for another standard to be chosen.