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I feel like this world cup is going to lead to chaos in an unpredictable way. Taking international fans and putting them under strict no alcohol policy, and oth

I feel like this world cup is going to lead to chaos in an unpredictable way. Taking international fans and putting them under strict no alcohol policy, and other weird authoritarian measures like no kissing in public is going to fail spectacularly. Not a matter of whether I think people should respect other cultures, it's a matter of knowing some people won't. They will probably instruct their local police to turn a blind eye. But if they don't, I bet this is going to lead to diplomatic crisis one way or the other.

smcl 4y ago
I think there'll be a few diplomatic incidents for sure - people will get busted sneaking alcohol and drugs in, many will be arrested for breaking various local laws. But I don't imagine it'll be too chaotic, I think it'll just be a damp squib of a World Cup overall.
- thr0wawayf00 4y ago
  A recent Guardian report accused Qatar of physically abusing gay Qataris and recruiting them as agents to track down gay attendees of the WC[0]. These people had zero problem killing thousands to build the stadiums, do not underestimate their capacity for cruelty. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/15/gay-qataris-physically-abused-then-recruited-as-agents-campaigner-says https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/15/gay-qataris...
  - smcl 4y ago
    Yeah read that, it's pretty horrific. I figured they'd probably manage to hold off now that the eyes of the world are on them - or I hoped at least.
rayiner 4y ago
When you go to someone’s home you follow their rules. And being thrown in jail for a spell would probably do some of these European soccer fans some good.
- NeoTar 4y ago
  But if someone offers to host an event in their home, they need to understand the requirements and expectations of that event, and if they do not agree to them, then they should not host it. Having said that it's not unreasonable to have a alcohol free World Cup. The problem is the 48h notice is unreasonable. If I have planned a trip with a view to sit and enjoy watching a match with a beer, and now I am not able to, that's the problem.
  - iamben 4y ago
    TBF I don't think you can sit an enjoy the game with a beer in most stadiums in the UK... You can have one before, at half time, and at the end. But not while you watch.
    - nerdawson 4y ago
      That’s true, you can’t take alcohol to your seat while you watch the match in the UK but you can still buy alcohol at the stadium.
      - NeoTar 4y ago
        My understanding is that the alcohol ban applies even when watching in fan-zones outside of the stadiums.
  - jayski 4y ago
    thing is, they wouldn't have hosted the WC had they been honest about what the beer policy was going to be. Brazil also doesn't sell beer in stadiums and they had to temporarily change rules while the WC was in town
- FerociousTimes 4y ago
  You model this situation as a host-guest relation when it's more like a business-client relation especially when they agreed beforehand to comply and meet the conditions and rules set out by the international governing/organizing body of the sport/competition only to renege on them some hours prior to the official launch and kickoff of the tournament. Also, I have to call out the authoritarian and gloating tone in your comment at the misfortune of other regular folks for the mere crime of loving and enjoying football/soccer.
dfxm12 4y ago
and other weird authoritarian measures like no kissing in public is going to fail spectacularly. At least ostensibly, big worldwide events like this (Olympics, World's Fair, etc.) are about cultural exchange. There's no room for exchange under authoritarianism.

smcl 4y ago

I think there'll be a few diplomatic incidents for sure - people will get busted sneaking alcohol and drugs in, many will be arrested for breaking various local laws. But I don't imagine it'll be too chaotic, I think it'll just be a damp squib of a World Cup overall.

thr0wawayf00 4y ago
A recent Guardian report accused Qatar of physically abusing gay Qataris and recruiting them as agents to track down gay attendees of the WC[0]. These people had zero problem killing thousands to build the stadiums, do not underestimate their capacity for cruelty. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/15/gay-qataris-physically-abused-then-recruited-as-agents-campaigner-says https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/nov/15/gay-qataris...
- smcl 4y ago
  Yeah read that, it's pretty horrific. I figured they'd probably manage to hold off now that the eyes of the world are on them - or I hoped at least.

rayiner 4y ago

When you go to someone’s home you follow their rules. And being thrown in jail for a spell would probably do some of these European soccer fans some good.

NeoTar 4y ago
But if someone offers to host an event in their home, they need to understand the requirements and expectations of that event, and if they do not agree to them, then they should not host it. Having said that it's not unreasonable to have a alcohol free World Cup. The problem is the 48h notice is unreasonable. If I have planned a trip with a view to sit and enjoy watching a match with a beer, and now I am not able to, that's the problem.
- iamben 4y ago
  TBF I don't think you can sit an enjoy the game with a beer in most stadiums in the UK... You can have one before, at half time, and at the end. But not while you watch.
  - nerdawson 4y ago
    That’s true, you can’t take alcohol to your seat while you watch the match in the UK but you can still buy alcohol at the stadium.
    - NeoTar 4y ago
      My understanding is that the alcohol ban applies even when watching in fan-zones outside of the stadiums.
- jayski 4y ago
  thing is, they wouldn't have hosted the WC had they been honest about what the beer policy was going to be. Brazil also doesn't sell beer in stadiums and they had to temporarily change rules while the WC was in town
FerociousTimes 4y ago
You model this situation as a host-guest relation when it's more like a business-client relation especially when they agreed beforehand to comply and meet the conditions and rules set out by the international governing/organizing body of the sport/competition only to renege on them some hours prior to the official launch and kickoff of the tournament. Also, I have to call out the authoritarian and gloating tone in your comment at the misfortune of other regular folks for the mere crime of loving and enjoying football/soccer.

dfxm12 4y ago

and other weird authoritarian measures like no kissing in public is going to fail spectacularly. At least ostensibly, big worldwide events like this (Olympics, World's Fair, etc.) are about cultural exchange. There's no room for exchange under authoritarianism.