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"Even Utah" seems to imply that Utah would be expected to have a stronger stance against the sale or consumption of alcohol. A cursory glance at the laws of bot

"Even Utah" seems to imply that Utah would be expected to have a stronger stance against the sale or consumption of alcohol. A cursory glance at the laws of both places, at least based on Wikipedia summaries, strongly suggests otherwise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar#Law Qatar: > In 2010, at least 18 people (mostly foreign nationals) were sentenced to receive between 40 and 100 lashes for offences involving "illicit sexual relations" or alcohol consumption.[125] In 2011, at least 21 people (mostly foreign nationals) were sentenced to between 30 and 100 lashes for the same reasons,[126] and in 2012, six expatriates were sentenced to either 40 or 100 lashes. > Alcohol consumption is partially legal in Qatar; some five-star luxury hotels are allowed to sell alcohol to their non-Muslim customers.[135][136] Muslims are not allowed to consume alcohol, and those caught consuming it are liable to flogging or deportation. Non-Muslim expatriates can obtain a permit to purchase alcohol for personal consumption. Utah: > A person must be 21 years old or older to buy or consume alcohol.[2] The Utah Department of Alcoholic Beverage Services (UDABS) has regulated the sale of alcoholic beverages since 1935, two years after the end of Prohibition.[3] Utah is one of seventeen control states, meaning the state has a monopoly over the wholesaling and/or retailing of some or all categories of alcoholic beverages.[4] Current Utah law sets a limit of 4.0 percent alcohol by weight (5% ABV) in beer sold at grocery and convenience stores and at establishments operating under a "beer only" type license, such as taverns, beer bars and some restaurants.[5] Beer over 4.0 percent by weight (5% ABV) is available in State Liquor Stores and Package Agencies and at clubs and restaurants licensed to sell liquor.

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rjsw 4y ago
The Utah laws you quote are from after the 2002 Olympic Winter Games. I was there a few years before that, you could buy 3.2% beer in a supermarket but for anything stronger needed to go to a State Liquor Store. The only State Liquor Stores that I saw were built like WWII Normandy bunkers, just to make it clear that you were doing something really bad by going there. From memory, you needed to get "membership" of any bar to drink there.
- fullstop 4y ago
  In Pennsylvania you can only purchase beer and wine from a grocery store due to legal loopholes -- you're purchasing it from a restaurant physically located inside of the grocery store. We also, in recent years, permitted alcohol sales on Sunday. Also, anything stronger than beer or wine is purchased from a "State Store". We never, to me knowledge, had the "zion curtains" in restaurants. https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/01/the-zion-curtains-of-utah.html https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/01/the-zion-curtains-of-u... The joke in Utah is that you always invite two Mormons to go fishing with you, because if there is only one they will drink all of your beer.
  - rascul 4y ago
    > In Pennsylvania you can only purchase beer and wine from a grocery store due to legal loopholes -- you're purchasing it from a restaurant physically located inside of the grocery store. Not exactly. When I lived in Chambersburg (2014-2016), I purchased beer from the few beer stores around. In & Out Beverage is still there [0]. If I recall correctly, they were classified as a distributor that was able to sell cases to the public. If you wanted less than a case then you had to find a bar to buy it from. [0] https://g.page/inandoutbeverage https://g.page/inandoutbeverage
    - fullstop 4y ago
      Sorry, I wasn't super clear, as my comment was in regard to the ability to purchase in grocery stores. There are licensed beer distributors as well. That is, the only reason why you can purchase beer in grocery stores here is due to a legal loophole. As of today beer distributors sell quantities smaller than a case. Shangy's is great if you are ever out this way again!
      - rascul 4y ago
        Is the grocery store thing recent? None of them sold beer when I was in Chambersburg. Nor were the distributors allowed to sell less than a case (or at least they didn't stock smaller amounts). It's been a number of years though, so things certainly could have changed a bit. If I recall correctly, Sheetz was able to start selling beer at a few locations before I moved. I doubt I'll be that way again but I'll make a note to check out Shangy's if I ever am.
UncleEntity 4y ago
I think Utah stopped the lashings after morale improved.

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rjsw 4y ago

The Utah laws you quote are from after the 2002 Olympic Winter Games. I was there a few years before that, you could buy 3.2% beer in a supermarket but for anything stronger needed to go to a State Liquor Store. The only State Liquor Stores that I saw were built like WWII Normandy bunkers, just to make it clear that you were doing something really bad by going there. From memory, you needed to get "membership" of any bar to drink there.

fullstop 4y ago
In Pennsylvania you can only purchase beer and wine from a grocery store due to legal loopholes -- you're purchasing it from a restaurant physically located inside of the grocery store. We also, in recent years, permitted alcohol sales on Sunday. Also, anything stronger than beer or wine is purchased from a "State Store". We never, to me knowledge, had the "zion curtains" in restaurants. https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/01/the-zion-curtains-of-utah.html https://www.amusingplanet.com/2017/01/the-zion-curtains-of-u... The joke in Utah is that you always invite two Mormons to go fishing with you, because if there is only one they will drink all of your beer.
- rascul 4y ago
  > In Pennsylvania you can only purchase beer and wine from a grocery store due to legal loopholes -- you're purchasing it from a restaurant physically located inside of the grocery store. Not exactly. When I lived in Chambersburg (2014-2016), I purchased beer from the few beer stores around. In & Out Beverage is still there [0]. If I recall correctly, they were classified as a distributor that was able to sell cases to the public. If you wanted less than a case then you had to find a bar to buy it from. [0] https://g.page/inandoutbeverage https://g.page/inandoutbeverage
  - fullstop 4y ago
    Sorry, I wasn't super clear, as my comment was in regard to the ability to purchase in grocery stores. There are licensed beer distributors as well. That is, the only reason why you can purchase beer in grocery stores here is due to a legal loophole. As of today beer distributors sell quantities smaller than a case. Shangy's is great if you are ever out this way again!
    - rascul 4y ago
      Is the grocery store thing recent? None of them sold beer when I was in Chambersburg. Nor were the distributors allowed to sell less than a case (or at least they didn't stock smaller amounts). It's been a number of years though, so things certainly could have changed a bit. If I recall correctly, Sheetz was able to start selling beer at a few locations before I moved. I doubt I'll be that way again but I'll make a note to check out Shangy's if I ever am.

UncleEntity 4y ago

I think Utah stopped the lashings after morale improved.