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This maybe your conclusion but stating it as base truth is a pretty uninformed take. DNA was discovered on LSD, among countless other major works in math, scie

This maybe your conclusion but stating it as base truth is a pretty uninformed take. DNA was discovered on LSD, among countless other major works in math, science, literature, CS, and other fields. Just Google "things discovered on drugs" or "famous/accomplished people that took drugs", the list is loooong.

pmoriarty 4y ago
Some accomplishments that don't get nearly enough credit in discussions like this are art, movies and music. Countless artists, writers and musicians were influenced by psychedelics. It's not hard to make an argument that the music most people listen to and love today would not exist without the influence of psychedelics. The Beatles are just one super famous example, where the influence of psychedelics on their music is super obvious and the tremendous influence of The Beatles is undeniable, but the same could be said of many if not most 60's/70's musicians, which in turn had huge influence on what followed, not to mention the obvious influence of psychedelics on psytrance and dance/club music in general. Something else to consider is that from the time psychedelics were outlawed until very recently admitting psychedelic use was taboo, and so many psychedelic users were in the closet. These are more open times, so some people are admitting it now, but many are still in the closet because coming out as a psychedelic user could still negatively impact your job prospects, the way society in general views you, and perhaps your relationships with people you care about. So there are probably way more psychedelic users out there than most people realize, and their accomplishments when taken as a whole are very significant. How much of such accomplishments were due to the influence of psychedelics? We don't have enough information to say for certain, but there have been studies on the effects of psychedelics on creativity[1][2][3] which show a positive effect. That's not to mention the well demonstrated potential of psychedelics to help with depression, the alleviation of which could also help users to create and contribute to society. [1] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35105186/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35105186/ [2] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2723891/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2723891/ [3] - https://www.amazon.com/LSD-Spirituality-Creative-Process-Groundbreaking/dp/0892819731 https://www.amazon.com/LSD-Spirituality-Creative-Process-Gro...
Flatcore999 4y ago
DNA was not discovered on LSD: https://psychedelicpress.co.uk/blogs/psychedelic-press-blog/23736769-francis-crick-dna-lsd-psychedelic-history-in-the-age-of-science https://psychedelicpress.co.uk/blogs/psychedelic-press-blog/...
- nicoco 4y ago
  Probable confusion with Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR and LSD advocate. Not the best argument for the safeness of psychedelics though, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Views_on_HIV/AIDS_and_climate_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Views_on_HIV/AIDS_...
- boppo1 4y ago
  Yep. I'm not going to bother replying or arguing with the posters that are touting psychedelics as causing breakthroughs in science and art. It's a common claim and it's exhausting. When I was a teenager, I heard the claim and believed it. All these musicians and artists I looked up to did psychedelics! So I took psychedelics! What I came to find, however, was that all of those artists had some sort of classical training early in life and a decade of working hard touring/painting and building their professional practice. The drugs came after, not before. I'll grant that stimulants may have made positive contributions. Oh how I love/hate stimulants.
  - bambataa 4y ago
    That seems like a really odd conclusion to draw. I’m not aware of anyone arguing that psychedelics turned non-artists into great artists. Of course the competence comes first. The Beatles were highly skilled musicians before taking drugs, but it seems reasonable that attempting to recreate the psychedelic experience on tape pushed them towards new sounds and techniques that they wouldn’t have otherwise tried.
ilyt 4y ago
Yeah but then you have to ask the question how many of discoveries drugs prevented, either by derailing life directly or by proxy. There is also no control, can't exactly tell if that was LSD that made someone discover something or that they just thought that it did. Hell, for all we know drug usage might've delayed the discovery. Or it might've been as simple as "getting high together brought right people together at right time".

pmoriarty 4y ago

Some accomplishments that don't get nearly enough credit in discussions like this are art, movies and music. Countless artists, writers and musicians were influenced by psychedelics. It's not hard to make an argument that the music most people listen to and love today would not exist without the influence of psychedelics. The Beatles are just one super famous example, where the influence of psychedelics on their music is super obvious and the tremendous influence of The Beatles is undeniable, but the same could be said of many if not most 60's/70's musicians, which in turn had huge influence on what followed, not to mention the obvious influence of psychedelics on psytrance and dance/club music in general. Something else to consider is that from the time psychedelics were outlawed until very recently admitting psychedelic use was taboo, and so many psychedelic users were in the closet. These are more open times, so some people are admitting it now, but many are still in the closet because coming out as a psychedelic user could still negatively impact your job prospects, the way society in general views you, and perhaps your relationships with people you care about. So there are probably way more psychedelic users out there than most people realize, and their accomplishments when taken as a whole are very significant. How much of such accomplishments were due to the influence of psychedelics? We don't have enough information to say for certain, but there have been studies on the effects of psychedelics on creativity[1][2][3] which show a positive effect. That's not to mention the well demonstrated potential of psychedelics to help with depression, the alleviation of which could also help users to create and contribute to society. [1] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35105186/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35105186/ [2] - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2723891/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2723891/ [3] - https://www.amazon.com/LSD-Spirituality-Creative-Process-Groundbreaking/dp/0892819731 https://www.amazon.com/LSD-Spirituality-Creative-Process-Gro...

Flatcore999 4y ago

DNA was not discovered on LSD: https://psychedelicpress.co.uk/blogs/psychedelic-press-blog/23736769-francis-crick-dna-lsd-psychedelic-history-in-the-age-of-science https://psychedelicpress.co.uk/blogs/psychedelic-press-blog/...

nicoco 4y ago
Probable confusion with Kary Mullis, the inventor of PCR and LSD advocate. Not the best argument for the safeness of psychedelics though, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Views_on_HIV/AIDS_and_climate_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis#Views_on_HIV/AIDS_...
boppo1 4y ago
Yep. I'm not going to bother replying or arguing with the posters that are touting psychedelics as causing breakthroughs in science and art. It's a common claim and it's exhausting. When I was a teenager, I heard the claim and believed it. All these musicians and artists I looked up to did psychedelics! So I took psychedelics! What I came to find, however, was that all of those artists had some sort of classical training early in life and a decade of working hard touring/painting and building their professional practice. The drugs came after, not before. I'll grant that stimulants may have made positive contributions. Oh how I love/hate stimulants.
- bambataa 4y ago
  That seems like a really odd conclusion to draw. I’m not aware of anyone arguing that psychedelics turned non-artists into great artists. Of course the competence comes first. The Beatles were highly skilled musicians before taking drugs, but it seems reasonable that attempting to recreate the psychedelic experience on tape pushed them towards new sounds and techniques that they wouldn’t have otherwise tried.

ilyt 4y ago

Yeah but then you have to ask the question how many of discoveries drugs prevented, either by derailing life directly or by proxy. There is also no control, can't exactly tell if that was LSD that made someone discover something or that they just thought that it did. Hell, for all we know drug usage might've delayed the discovery. Or it might've been as simple as "getting high together brought right people together at right time".